The 5th draft

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It is Sunday, time to read… eg, the new regulations..
Of course, neither from KIBTEKs website nor from the Energy Ministries website you can download (any older drafts or) the new regulations. Actually, you cannot get ANY info about renewable energies (RE). (only info on KIBTEK website: we want to go to tender for a 5MWp PV- plant in… 2009)
This "new regulation" tells you what you have to do, but they also tell you what KIBTEK and the Energy Ministry need to do.
According to the new regulations, you have to apply for RE systems (name, address), you have to determine “use”, size, an electric plan and hand in “necessary documents”.
You learn, that you do not have to pay for those applications and permissions.
We learn, that big installations (for hotels, trading and so on) are not wished and will be not permitted and for homes (single and three phase) we have limitations in size.
But, you learn also that KIBTEK and the Ministry need to give advice, supply help, give detailed info about the design and equipment of RE systems and set up a new (sub)webpage, where we all can get info from, and finally give permission to RE systems, which then will be connected to the grid.
Regarding the use of RE, the ministry (of energy) and KIBTEK need to set up a new system and it seems that all the regulations say one thing: we want, but cannot, we need time and till then… you have to wait.
These are the new RE regulations in the 4th or 5th draft, the first draft passed parliament in October 2011.
For anyone interested in the regulations, please contact us (its only 90kb and in Turkish)

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Thanks kibsolar.
This seems to confirm that Solar installations are not 'Illegal'. Until any regulations ( now in 5th draft only!) are 'finally' passed and enforceable there is no need for concern.

Obviously a professional installation by an experienced contractor who has a detailed knowledge is the best way forward.

Personally, I would not suggest using any contractor who suggests you should use them to be 'legal', to comply with non-existent legal requirements.

This agrees with my experiences of going off-grid, Kibtek have no knowledge, advice or control apart from compliance with existing electrical regs.

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The eight people strong new commitee for RE questions the had the first meeting.
"How much" RE power will be permitted to install for 2014, how the application forms need to look like and what are the tech specs and certifications, will be evaluated. I believe no one of them ever installed a system.
Anyway, next meeting will be middle of april.

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But still only a draft. All might change tomorrow, and again and again....
I'm very much for solar energy, but here...., at the moment the rules seem to change constantly. Unless you have guaranteed feeding into the grid, I feel it's too big an investment.

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dippersgirl

Solar,... partial, on-grid or off-grid, has actually become a better investment than ever before due to the recent price rises from Kibtek which are hitting everyone.

We can probably be sure that future electricity prices will only go one way!

Solar equipment is now more efficient and competitive in cost than ever before.

With the prospect of things changing again & again, as well as the probability of future Kibtek or Government charges for any solar installation, energy independance now makes more and more sense.

My advice is to get a no-obligation survey and quote from a reputable experienced NC installer, think about future costs and then decide.

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Owl, we did this three years ago, but the outlay was still greater than the electricity. We use about TL220 a month now. They said to us a system would be in the region of £10000. That's a lot of electricity. On top of it, We are pushing seventy, unless we could get some money back by supplying the grid, it's just not economical for us, unless prices have changed. I want to be greener and more self sufficient, if somebody can tell us it's possible, please shout!

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dippersgirl

Same age group as me!

3 years ago decided to look seriously at Solar,..... gulped!
Thought 'Thats a big chunk of my savings' maybe I can't afford it.

Went for it and spent more than I could have done, to be off-grid, don't have a single regret.

Have to admit to being softies who like to keep cool in hot weather and warm at cooler times. Have now even been 'guilty' of putting oven on low with door open on chilly evenings. Pool now runs all day long and keeps cleaner and cheaper to maintain. use Immersion for H/W whenever we want, air-cons whenever we like, etc etc.

There is no 'magic' solution to investing in alternative energy for an instant saving or return on your investment, but the rises in Kibtek prices since I went off-grid have dramatically shortened my investment return,.... and NO power cuts!

Whether you look at a solar top-up system for just a few £k, or a full off-grid system for more £k, any 3-5+ year view is becoming more attractive every day.

For some, Alternative Energy is not the solution, so it's always best to get someone in to give you a personal 'Energy Audit' to see what your solutions are. Some may be better off financially by a review and change of their usage and home equipment/lighting etc. A reputable business will tell you if your situation/property/use etc is or is not viable for solar.

p.s. I thought I was retired,.... maybe I should go back to work as an 'Energy Auditor'!

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We are just about to take our first step, into the world of RE, by way of installing a solar-powered pool pump.

Our situation is such that, as we do not have our deeds, and parcelisation, and government inspections, have not yet been completed on our site, we are unable to move forward as fast as we'd like, as we cannot yet build further PV "roofs" over terraces and stairways. It's unlikely that we'll ever be able to install anything on the main roof of the villa.

So we are starting by building a small PV assembly over an existing pergola, to provide power to the new pool pump.

Even at this stage, I've been amazed by the amount of utter clap-trap that I've heard, or had sent to me within e-mails, by prospective suppliers, as to how to best address our current (pardon the pun) and future needs.

It's certainly best to think long and hard about what is best for you, before taking the plunge.

HH

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