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So guys let’s hear your thoughts....

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Mine is thank god the people that matter have spoken

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In 2017, people didn’t believe Jeremy Corbyn might become Prime Minister. In 2019, they did.

Maybe this General Election was advisory?
Should we demand a People’s General Election?
For me we have had a people’s vote, again.

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Can see ejts jumping for joy, Errol hiding in the cupboard and Waz banging his head against the wall lol

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Good bye Europe hello world
I'm leaving now to go find myself....if I arrive before I get back, please ask me to wait!

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TAC wrote:Good bye Europe hello world
It's goodbye EU not Europe....

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Groucho wrote:
TAC wrote:Good bye Europe hello world
It's goodbye EU not Europe....
100%

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Oh well, it's already goodbye N. Ireland. Will it be Scotland next? Then you could have Boris forever!!

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Goodbye National health Service, welcome to your pension at 75, (if you can make it), goodbye Good Friday agreement, welcome to more children in poverty, welcome to more homeless people on the streets, Congratulations to the billionaires and millionaires in Britain who do not pay any taxes, Goodbye to freedom of movement, good bye to businesses that rely on European trade, hello to an increase in far right hate crime, antisemitism, welcome to an increase in inequality, Goodbye to social care for people with Autism, ex servicemen dying homeless on the streets of Britain, the list goes on,..... trying to be positive, but when a compulsive liar, whose initiation into the Bullingdon club, was to burn money in front of homeless people - is elected prime minister of a terribly broken nation, then what can you do?

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humanoid wrote:Goodbye National health Service, welcome to your pension at 75, (if you can make it), goodbye Good Friday agreement, welcome to more children in poverty, welcome to more homeless people on the streets, Congratulations to the billionaires and millionaires in Britain who do not pay any taxes, Goodbye to freedom of movement, good bye to businesses that rely on European trade, hello to an increase in far right hate crime, antisemitism, welcome to an increase in inequality, Goodbye to social care for people with Autism, ex servicemen dying homeless on the streets of Britain, the list goes on,..... trying to be positive, but when a compulsive liar, whose initiation into the Bullingdon club, was to burn money in front of homeless people - is elected prime minister of a terribly broken nation, then what can you do?
Labour were simply unelectable borne out by many Labour strongholds rejecting there far left stance, radical policies and position on Brexit.

You may not like the result but the people have sent a very clear message.

There is so much wrong with Labour. They need to have a big clean out and return to the centre left ground and prove they can be electable again. If they persist in the Corbynista, Marxist McDonnell ideas then they will spend a long time in the wilderness.
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Comrades, the Five Year Plan was on target to victory until it was treacherously undermined by the capitalist billionaires of Blyth Valley, Darlington and Durham.
As for the poverty in Britain it is the definition of ‘relative poverty’ that has been often used. By definition if half the country became billionaires and half the country became millionaires then those millionaires would be living in ‘relative poverty.’
It is hard to square the circle of mass child malnutrition and mass child obesity, both can’t be right.

As for anti semitism, seriously?

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humanoid wrote: whose initiation into the Bullingdon club, was to burn money in front of homeless people - is elected prime minister of a terribly broken nation, then what can you do?
With all due respect it was this kind of nonsense that lost Labour the election.
Johnson is undoubtedly from the elite but Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne aren't?

People voted for Brexit. The elite have spent the last 3 years telling them they didn't understand what they voted, and were confused and stupid and the vote didn't reflect the will of the people so they would need another go to get it right. Well they had another go and people have told the elite again what they want.

Labour had the arrogance that they owned the working class vote in say Durham so took it for granted and spent an inordinate amount of effort trying to unseat the likes of Ian Duncan Smith for a headline. You don't win an election by converting the already converted.

It was pretty obvious that any party was going to need 13 million voters to win but Labour with their contempt for the non activist ordinary voter thought having 50,000 activists who would go on any march or rally would be enough.

The difference between 2017 and 2019 is that in 2017 the voters were against May not for Corbyn and were protest votes. Labour/Momentum also got the hang of social media far better than the Tory's in 2017.

Also most people might not to be educated but the majority have common sense and don't fall for stunts.
If you go to a busy hospital most people don't put their child on the floor and throw on a few dirty coats for good measure to get a photo opportunity or to make a point about NHS cuts. They hold the child in their arms or get in the car and go to another hospital. Stunts that worked in 2017 got a bit tired and people don't like to be taken for fools.

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Well said EnjoyingThe Sun!

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poshin... ..... but the people have sent a very clear message.
ah really? i just can learn another time that the UK has sort of a bit "outdated" election system.
cameron wanted a referendum because of that, Boris did not want one for the same reason.
he got 43% of all votes and ended up with a nice majority of 56 %.
for me not understandable.

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humanoid.. you forgot to mention that the comrades can now again start to dicuss the "death penalty".
yeah.

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kibsolar1999 wrote:
ah really? i just can learn another time that the UK has sort of a bit "outdated" election system.
he got 43% of all votes and ended up with a nice majority of 56 %.
for me not understandable.
The FPTP system is not perfect but no system is. The problem with incorporating PR in, has been proved by the wafer thin majority the government has had since 2017.
Lets say we take the number of votes and divide it by the seats. In 2010 we would have had Plaid Cymru with 4 seats and the Greens with 5 seats.
Lots of fair minded people would be happy with that.
Problem is UKIP now get 20 seats which might alarm some and the BNP get 12 seats which will alarm everyone hopefully.

So moving those sort of numbers to the last 3 years with The Conservatives tiny majority and those 12 seats the BNP hold would carry a lot of weight.
You can obviously fudge together a mix and match system. Italy has that and has had 61 governments since the end of WWII.
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humanoid.. you forgot to mention that the comrades can now again start to dicuss the "death penalty".
yeah.
If the majority of the people are for something then it's democratic to have a vote on it and implement it if the majority vote for it.

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kibsolar1999 wrote:poshin... ..... but the people have sent a very clear message.
ah really? i just can learn another time that the UK has sort of a bit "outdated" election system.
cameron wanted a referendum because of that, Boris did not want one for the same reason.
he got 43% of all votes and ended up with a nice majority of 56 %.
for me not understandable.

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humanoid.. you forgot to mention that the comrades can now again start to dicuss the "death penalty".
yeah.
The first past the post system is what it is. It was the same for everyone whether they like it or not. It is very unlikely it will change, none of the two major party’s have shown any interest in doing so. Why should they, they like the current system.

So based on the above it is clear the people sent a very clear message. They did not want a Corbyn Labour government.
Probably it was a combination of reasons ranging from Labours stance on Brexit...who knows what that was, there tax and spend economic policies......promises and more promises....nothing is free, the leader himself....he just wasn’t liked by the electorate, the radical hard left stance, the poor front bench team, the influence of momentum on the party, anti semitism and there failure to deal with it. They could not even rescue themselves by raising there pet claim about the NHS being sold off.

Labour have to change and return to the centre ground, failure to do so means they will be thrashing around in the dark for many years. The election is over and it’s time to finally move on after 3 years of treading water.
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And we now have a mob protesting at Downing St.
You either accept democracy or you don't, Those that don't tend to be fascists.
The irony of them labeling themselves anti-fascists!

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Poshin:
The first past the post system is what it is. It was the same for everyone whether they like it or not. It is very unlikely it will change, none of the two major party’s have shown any interest in doing so. Why should they, they like the current system.
That statement is a capitulation declaration to an undemocratic and discriminating system.
libdems got 11,6% of the vote and got 11 seats, should be 76 seats. Greens got 2,7% and got 1 seat. Should be 17 (together 93). BJs comrades got 365 seats. Should be 280 (less 85..).
That some parties are overrepresented in a parliament is normal. This is based on “ local feelings” , we have that in many countries. As well in the EU parliament… Malta, Cyprus…its called “minority protection”.
The FPTP system blocks (new/small) parties/movements/ candidates/political opinions. It has nothing to do with “minority protection”. Instead, in most of the cases it discriminates minorities. Sort of medieval.
You can see this discrimination in the comments made from people who “did win”, maybe after a years/decades long “waiting time”, the “people that matter have spoken” (Comrades, the Five Year Plan was on target….). Who is that, the “people that matters”? Basically I believe they mean themselfes.

Poshin: Lets say we take the number of votes and divide it by the seats. In 2010 we would have had Plaid Cymru with 4 seats and the Greens with 5 seats.
No, sorry, wrong assumption!
how many may would have voted for someone else as , say, the two candidates which have a real chance?
An idea you get from the EU (PR) election "UK results". 20 %lib dems, 12 % greens.
That would be potentially 130 seats for the lib dems and 78 for the greens. And the potential for the greens might be much higher.. in Germany (PR system with not 61 govs since WW2.. it is not mandatory "to be like the italians" ) they are at +20%.

So, all these people, 32% , and with 12 seats (2%) represented in parliament, do not matter? And instead are called a “mob with fascist tendencies” from the “people that matters, the comrades”? ridiculous.
Maybe because these comrades believe that the demonstrators are a “minority of some idiots” .. but they are not.
They are “the 32%” !! (and maybe more).
As humanoid said… a terribly broken nation.

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Kibsolar, how about when you quote someone you do it correctly rather than mixing it in to your post. It will assist in reading your post, it probably won’t make it much more sensible but……...

OK with your PR system, you will agree that there are several methods that can be used and so it is selective democracy before we get to a government by committee.

So let's say with a system of dividing the votes cast by the seats, multiplying them by the number of spanners in an average tool chest etc. Lots of seats for the Greens, which you might love but how many seats are you going to give the BNP? If they get 2% of the vote then they should get some seats, surely?
Who is to say that they won’t get 5% of the votes? After all we keep hearing how many fascists are in Britain, now their vote won’t be wasted so it is reasonable to suppose they will get more votes.

In 2015 UKiP collected nearly 4 million votes, nearly 13% of the total cast. They didn’t get one seat. Even the Greens who got a third of that total got one seat. So many will moan that The Greens should get more seats while being delighted that UKIP got none.
The thing is while UKIP didn’t get any seats that is not to say those votes were wasted because they got influence. The Conservative Party had to bear in mind the opinions of all those who voted that way.

Interesting that you bought up Germany. In 1928 the Nazi party got 2% of the vote and so got 12 seats. Not world beating but a foothold, enough to start some horse trading with the other 14 parties with seats. Enough to get their poison heard in parliament. Moving onto modern day Germany, look at the rise of the AFD which was only formed 7 years ago.

In the UK despite what the far left would have you believe, we do not have a far right government and it would be difficult to get one under our current FPTP system.

So no system is perfect but a system that keeps out fascists is not the worst system in the world.

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After the hunt, it's severed pigs heads for your sexual pleasure and champagne all round chaps.
The party of the people are here to stay, hurrah.

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I think its enough, ets.
But if you are interested in the 100% PR system of the “weimarer republic” , the “lessons learned” by the parliamentary council under the supervision of the three allies (UK, US and France, which may also did learn some lessons…) for the new to be founded FRG in 1948/9, incl the new election system (at federal and country level incl Bundestag and Federal Council) and the grundgesetz (constitution), incl the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution), then you are free to do so.
you may can learn something as well.

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kibsolar1999 wrote:I think its enough, ets.
But if you are interested in the 100% PR system of the “weimarer republic” , the “lessons learned” by the parliamentary council under the supervision of the three allies (UK, US and France, which may also did learn some lessons…) for the new to be founded FRG in 1948/9, incl the new election system (at federal and country level incl Bundestag and Federal Council) and the grundgesetz (constitution), incl the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution), then you are free to do so.
you may can learn something as well.
Yes I’ve learned it is working great. 8 years after forming the Nazi Party was still a minor party, 4 years after forming the AFD is now effectively the main opposition.

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humanoid wrote:After the hunt, it's severed pigs heads for your sexual pleasure and champagne all round chaps.
The party of the people are here to stay, hurrah.
How’s that cartoon politics working for you?
Not every entrepreneur runs a factory devoted to exploiting its down trodden workers. Not every landlord goes around his estates deciding which tenant to throw out today. Most entrepreneurs run a business with half a dozen employees that is barely surviving. Most landlords have invested what money they had into a buy to let to give themselves a pension. Most people are making their own provision for their pension and realise that plans to give away 10% of company’s share will massively reduce their pension pot.
I can understand an 18 year old falling for this drivel but not grown ups.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:How’s that cartoon politics working for you?
Not every entrepreneur runs a factory devoted to exploiting its down trodden workers. Not every landlord goes around his estates deciding which tenant to throw out today. Most entrepreneurs run a business with half a dozen employees that is barely surviving. Most landlords have invested what money they had into a buy to let to give themselves a pension. Most people are making their own provision for their pension and realise that plans to give away 10% of company’s share will massively reduce their pension pot.
I can understand an 18 year old falling for this drivel but not grown ups.
Yes precisely my point, that normal people struggling to get by, or even normal working people who may be thriving, do not have sex with severed pigs heads and burn money in front of homeless people, that takes a rather unique personality, the personality of the current leadership of currently not so Great Britain.

The point here, (if you hadn't realized), is that for a person in power to actually care about the most unfortunate in society, they usually don't engage in such poor and misguided practices (such as the above, among many others) and instead, actually do something to raise the level of social care, from the foundation of a social conscience. They lack a social conscience. What we do to others, we only do unto ourselves.

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Yes precisely my point, that normal people struggling to get by, or even normal working people who may be thriving, do not have sex with severed pigs heads and burn money in front of homeless people, that takes a rather unique personality, the personality of the current leadership of currently not so Great Britain.
I don't suppose you have considered that in an election where so much misinformation has been peddled by all parties, that maybe, just maybe, it has been made up?
I always wonder who can possibly fall for half the stunts they pull so it is nice to meet one.
humanoid wrote:
The point here, (if you hadn't realized), is that for a person in power to actually care about the most unfortunate in society, they usually don't engage in such poor and misguided practices (such as the above, among many others) and instead, actually do something to raise the level of social care, from the foundation of a social conscience. They lack a social conscience. What we do to others, we only do unto ourselves.
You seem to have this view that the Tories are the elite and Labour aren't.
There aren't too many from Momentum who worked down a pit.

Corbyn, went to a private prep school and has never held a proper job in his life.
Milne, son of the Director General of the BBC went to Winchester, a school that is more expensive than Eton.
Laura Murray and family knock out the odd Picasso for eighty million to keep the wolf from the door.
Lansman, ex public schoolboy living in a 1.5 million pound house and who is in property.
I could go on and on.

The reason Labour lost the red wall is because they have lost the working class. They are not of them and merely study them like some abstract concept. They take they votes for granted as if they have the right to them. They spend years calling people racist gammons and then are astonished when they don't get their vote.

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humanoid wrote: burn money in front of homeless people, that takes a rather unique personality
Found that this came up in an unverified story from 2013.
This initiation if it existed apparently happened during the nineties onwards. Johnson had left education by 1987.
So it might be an urban myth but if not it was after his time anyway.
I'm no fan of Johnson's but this cartoon caricature of him and Rhys Mogg by politicians and activists who could buy and sell them is laughable and not relevant.
I guess those middle class home counties Marxists affecting mockney accents might have swung Putney, Durham etc, not so much

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The general election just passed has been like no other in modern British history.
The Brexit matter cast normal party allegiances aside and the Conservative victory was very much expected. Boris's strategy plan and execution was perfect in securing a victory that even he may have underestimated.

From my prospective the right party won and I am pleased to see the Conservatives in power and with a commanding majority. I am less pleased or encouraged by what the future holds with Brexit and the future for the UK economy and its general prosperity.
I expect the margin between the haves and have nots to widen in line with the general rise in right wing politics around the globe.

Of course climate change and the associated pursuit of wealth are at loggerheads and the pressures upon global resources and the climate emergency will very quickly become political topics that will win or loose elections.


Right wing and indeed far left administrations are also at loggerheads as the middle ground is lost (ie lib dems in the UK)
Democracy and dictatorships both appear under scrutiny by increasingly disgruntled populous around the globe. I see more strife, demonstration and violence than ever before. The people are not happy and the world is very small indeed as social media and the Web promote and facilitate much more free speech and liberalisation.

The new and unstoppable general migration of people is fuelling a very worrying state of zelophobia. People see and grasp opportunities to better their lives in different parts of the world. Wealth and prosperity is no certainty for any country. The major economies must adopt to change or they will soon lose position.

The economic globe is changing . The USA, Russia and China are vying for advantage and position continually both commercially and militarily.. Africa and India are developing very quickly. I express concerns over the state of the world right now. The climate emergency is in my opinion a status quo position ongoing. The demise of our planet is not an if but "how long do we have". How long can the planet sustain life as we know it? There is a most shocking reluctance to do much whilst the smoke and rain and water levels are with us every single day.

The UK is somewhat in a doldrum of hope and doubt. I see little scope for further progress. I'm afraid we had our time in the days of global colonial occupation and exploitation. Now we seek to close our doors and look inwards. Possibly in fear of how we are declining in status, wealth and prosperity.

For the TRNC. Brexit will negatively effect UK ex pats, UK visitor numbers and the influx of UK investment. The very recent rape trial in the ROC of a young UK teenager will have immediate negative repercussions on Cyprus generally.

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waz-24-7 wrote:
The demise of our planet is not an if but "how long do we have". How long can the planet sustain life as we know it? There is a most shocking reluctance to do much whilst the smoke and rain and water levels are with us every single day.
Assuming now we are going to see out the year, I think between 7 and 50 billion years, which will give us plenty more time for lots of predictions

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:
The demise of our planet is not an if but "how long do we have". How long can the planet sustain life as we know it? There is a most shocking reluctance to do much whilst the smoke and rain and water levels are with us every single day.
Assuming now we are going to see out the year, I think between 7 and 50 billion years, which will give us plenty more time for lots of predictions

To be clear. When I refer to the demise of our planet. I refer to a demise of the human race upon the planet as we know it. The physical planet will indeed prevail in some form or another.
My own view is that once humans have had their fill and we have vacated the earth surface. It will be the Insects that will rise to a position of dominance. I base this on the ability of this species and group within to adapt to almost all environments, have a tenacious ability to survive , thrive and adapt.

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While even cockroaches won't survive nuclear weapons they are likely candidates to survive pretty well everything else - as are rats -
"Reproduction and life cycle
The brown rat can breed throughout the year if conditions are suitable, with a female producing up to five litters a year. The gestation period is only 21 days, and litters can number up to 14, although seven is common. They reach sexual maturity in about five weeks. Under ideal conditions (for the rat), this means that the population of females could increase by a factor of three and a half (half a litter of 7) in 8 weeks (5 weeks for sexual maturity and 3 weeks of gestation), corresponding to a population growing by a factor of 10 in just 15 weeks. As a result, the population can grow from 2 to 15,000 in a year." - an old quote (which I can't just find!) - How do you kill a rat? Stick it in a sack, club it to death, and then look for the dozens that have been born in the meantime..."

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I refer to a demise of the human race upon the planet as we know it. The physical planet will indeed prevail in some form or another.
Sure at some point the sun will heat the planet so it is not habitable for pretty much any form of life but this is millions of years away.
In the shorter term, which is getting longer when their predictions crash and burn, the watermelon lobby is telling us we need to control CO2.

The problem is when asked reasonable questions then they go on the attack and label people deniers. Science only advances by testing hypothesis in competition with alternate hypothesis. It doesn't advance by a vote or consensus.
Climategate revealed that reasonable requests for background data were refused. I've always thought that scientist encourage argument as it advances science but these scientists shut down any form of argument.

No one seems to ever say what is a reasonable level of CO2 and how exactly humans effect the level. I'm no scientist but I do know we need some CO2 otherwise all plant life will die and that will be the end of us.

The solution isn't simply spending money and the state taking more control although that would suit some as that is their cure for everything. If we are to blame for this be under no illusion it will probably all the money in the world to cure and so it is a one shot deal. Also history has shown us that sometimes the cure can make the problem worse or create a new problem that is more dangerous than the original problem. So people questioning to ascertain that the experts are absolutely certain what the problem is, what exactly is causing the problem and how exactly we solve the problem should be encouraged not closed down.

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The eventual demise of mankind is inevitable. The controlling factors upon how quickly this happens are somewhat controllable but only slightly.
Humans as a species will evolve further but not a lot in real terms whilst inhabiting this planet. A planet that is going through irrevocable change, just like is has done historically. Mankind has been here for a mere blink, just like the dinosaurs and extinction is a very real probability.

It is within mans capability to manipulate the planet to its advantage both to extract its resources to produce wealth and encourage greed it does this with little regard to consequences and with a vigour that is both startling and very worrying. This economic regime is however very slowly changing as environmentalist groups and youngsters become real activists for change.
In addition we are very able to facilitate a slower demise of the environment and the loss of habitation and shelter. This objective however has massive cost and rather too few are willing to pick up the challenge as the wealthy and powerful amongst us would lose out the most.

The need now is to slow down the demise and actively seek alternative places of habitation. Whatever, I think the world as we see it today is a sight to behold and relish as it will disappear . When. Only time will tell.

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This objective however has massive cost and rather too few are willing to pick up the challenge as the wealthy and powerful amongst us would lose out the most.
This isn't expensive as in Corbynism, "the billionaires aren't doing their bit so we will shake the money tree", expensive.
America's GDP is around 20 trillion dollars a year, to enforce the Paris climate change will cost ONE HUNDRED TRILLION dollars.
That one hundred trillion dollars will reduce global temperature by one sixth of a degree celsius. So it is safe to say it isn't going to cost a lot of money, it is going to cost ALL of it.

So with that in mind, it is a one shot deal, so as we can only afford to do this once, answer some questions?

Please let me know what level of CO2 we need to aim for? 400-425 PPM is obviously the point at which its irreversible and the planet as we know it...blah blah. By a massive coincidence that figure is around where we are now.
150 PPM is the point at which our plant life dies out so we become extinct. So what level?
How will we achieve it? If we reduce world CO2 by say 50% what will the ppm number be?

As you said we have been on this earth the blink of an eye which makes it strange that knowing that you allow yourself to be alarmed by figures that are based on data that's a thousandth of that blink of an eye while ignoring data that is based on the much longer term.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
waz-24-7 wrote:
This objective however has massive cost and rather too few are willing to pick up the challenge as the wealthy and powerful amongst us would lose out the most.
This isn't expensive as in Corbynism, "the billionaires aren't doing their bit so we will shake the money tree", expensive.
America's GDP is around 20 trillion dollars a year, to enforce the Paris climate change will cost ONE HUNDRED TRILLION dollars.
That one hundred trillion dollars will reduce global temperature by one sixth of a degree celsius. So it is safe to say it isn't going to cost a lot of money, it is going to cost ALL of it.

So with that in mind, it is a one shot deal, so as we can only afford to do this once, answer some questions?

Please let me know what level of CO2 we need to aim for? 400-425 PPM is obviously the point at which its irreversible and the planet as we know it...blah blah. By a massive coincidence that figure is around where we are now.


150 PPM is the point at which our plant life dies out so we become extinct. So what level?
How will we achieve it? If we reduce world CO2 by say 50% what will the ppm number be?

As you said we have been on this earth the blink of an eye which makes it strange that knowing that you allow yourself to be alarmed by figures that are based on data that's a thousandth of that blink of an eye while ignoring data that is based on the much longer term.
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Thank you. I fear that carbon dioxide is not the only issue within the issue. Certainly ,I would agree that this gas is the major contributor to global warming.
There is a great deal of contention upon carbon foot prints and their implications. It is modern life, industry, the aspiration for betterment and wealth that drive carbon emissions up. Carbon fixation is not really difficult via photosynthesises and other artificial scrubbers.

It is mans reluctance, disbelief, greed and laziness to take action that presents the bigger and worrying issue. I cannot say what level of C02 is tolerable or acceptable. The planet has a variety and diverse set of ecosystems. some very fragile others more able to rest the onslaught of human intervention.
My own vie is the deforestation need absolute and urgent attention. In fact if we to double the amazon forest in size then carbon capture would be a real step forward. Unfortunately there is no money to be made from such a strategy but the loss of potential commercial land is very costly.
If this could be reversed and tree planting was funded well as incentive then away we go. Unlikely as the scheme simply turns land into non earning carbon capture.

At this moment therefore I have no viable solution bar that that involvers , as you say, massive amounts of money and ongoing financial loss

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