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what do the EU dictatorship not understand, when we leave this EU cess pit we take back control of our fishing, The Eu policy that has decimated UK fishing. A EU policy that has given the majority of our quota to Eu countries. If I had any doubt about leaving the Eu, which I didn't I say three cheers to Brexit, bring back control!

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That has been one of my biggest bones of contention...

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Fish really respect Country boundaries, take control, and swim away to avoid been netted and eaten where there are danger zones!

What a lot of tosh!!

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Since the eu have realised we are serious about our fishing rights they have increased their take tenfold because they know their days are numbered.

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That didn't stop Britain denying the fishing rights of Iceland, sending in the navy to divide, rule & conquer which they lost that war!

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Not that straightforward?

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

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This really isn't a big deal although its been made out to be. A sizeable chunk of British quota is owned by just five families, four of whom are on the 'rich list'. At the moment British fishermen havethe right to land and sell their catches anywhere within the Eu where they can get the best price which often isn't Peterhead or Grimsby. Also many Eu countries aren't in competition for the same fish that appeal to Uk diners palettes. The quota system means that the owner of the quota has a tradeable commodity and thats whats happened, the smaller guys have sold their quota and got out. The quota ends up in fewer and fewer hands who get bigger and bigger. Fishings conribution to the Uk economy is negligible, its just an emotive subject.

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There will have to be compromise in the end. As previously stated our fishing industry is a tiny part of our economy, but if our financial services are damaged, we are in deep doo doo as a nation. We don't actually make that much, so the service industry is King.

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As we are all worried about climate change any move to supply our own food from closer to home has got to be a good thing. In fact maybe the U.K. could ban all fish imports and be self sufficient in fish to help eliminate climate change before it is too late and the world ends?

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From the BBC article for those that didn't bother to read it: -
...a significant portion of the existing UK quota is already in foreign hands.

... the government does not intend to return the foreign-owned quota to UK fishermen.

...research suggests that taking back much greater control could mean buying back fishing quota.

That would come at quite a cost, which the government doesn't currently seem prepared to pay.

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so, the plan of the brexiteers was/is to expropriate foreign owners of fishery quotas?

and, once taken back, to give (sell again) these quotas to whom?
to the "five rich families"? or "give them back for free " to those who originally sold them?

anyway...that would be the beginning of the end of any foreign investments...

trouble in this story is.. nobody cares about the fish (quotas)

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Kibsolar, this is not expropriation, these are our waters, our fish that were treacherously given away , an action that decimated or own fishing industry. Please explain why the vermin in the Eu have any right to demand that they have any right to continue to take fish from our water. Three cheers for Brexit!

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Fishermen hated the EU and overwhelmingly voted for Brexit so maybe they have an idea of what’s good for our fishing industry?

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thornaby,
sorry? i buy a house in the UK and some time later iam told "this is our house" and "land which we have treacherously given away" an action which has "decimated or own housing industry" and now I! have to explain why i want to continue to take the rent after brexit?

you want to tell me that is not expropriation?

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...................... 'our fish '.................

When did wild sea/ocean fish belong to anyone? What did you do to claim them as yours or ours?

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kibsolar1999 wrote:
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thornaby,
sorry? i buy a house in the UK and some time later iam told "this is our house" and "land which we have treacherously given away" an action which has "decimated or own housing industry" and now I! have to explain why i want to continue to take the rent after brexit?

you want to tell me that is not expropriation?
Or the person renting your house sells it to a third party

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UK waters, UK resources. The Eu have absolutely no right to dictate to the UK what we do with those resources . The Eu fishing policy did decimate the uk fishing industry. I Read that the fish pulled from Uk waters is worth around £600 million annually, £500 million of that is taken by other Eu countries.There will be nothing owed to the Eu after we leave the UK will be paying a lot of money for this divorce. And what a con the EU is. People voted to join the Common Market despite wiser heads such as Enoch Powell and Tony Benn warning that the intention is to make this into a European Superstate which is exactly what has happened! Three cheers for Brexit!

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............The Eu have absolutely no right to dictate to the UK.................

So the UK never dictated nor bullied the Countries in its Empire? Let alone raped any wealth or resources from the Commonwealth for its own personal gain?

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Brinsley wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 8:15 am
............The Eu have absolutely no right to dictate to the UK.................

So the UK never dictated nor bullied the Countries in its Empire? Let alone raped any wealth or resources from the Commonwealth for its own personal gain?
Another snowflake ashamed of his country’s past. Why not highlight the good we have done? Such as saving the rest of Europe from domination by Germany, twice! Only for them throw it away and bend over for them now.

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So the UK never dictated nor bullied the Countries in its Empire? Let alone raped any wealth or resources from the Commonwealth for its own personal gain?
Classic whataboutism that has zero to do with the EU.

What is surprising about the empire, and generally the snowflake left only seem interested in India and Africa, is how long after independence from the UK it took until they started standing on their own two feet. India around 60 years, its only been in the last few years since they threw out their socialist model they they have thrived and we are still waiting on Africa.
Africa is rich with natural resources but that wealth continues to end in Swiss bank accounts.
This is the joke of reparations for slavery idea which no doubt you believe in to get your tick on your virtue signalling card. Who is going to pay it and to who?

As for raping wealth and resources from the Commonwealth you're going to have to give some examples there. You do know what the Commonwealth is right? You know its not Britain (+America and Israel always bad) exploiting black and brown people (all always good) right? Its a voluntary group of countries with zero power to inflict any sanctions on each other with a symbolic head.

The only link the UK, the EU and the Commonwealth have is that when the UK joined the EU we were seen as abandoning our Commonwealth trading partners at the behest of the EU. Australia and New Zealand felt particularly let down but I guess they are not in your group of interests.

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Brinsley, so by your comment it seems you agree that the Uk is been bullied and dictated to, many thing in the history of the Uk like any other countries is shameful but that can't be used in 2020 for the justification of not having full control of resources in our exclusive economic zone. And if proof was needed on crazy these Eu bullies are, Barnier is now saying we can have full control of our waters but not the fish in it, just what planet is that fool on!

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Perhaps Barnier would like to use Turkeys model for determining EEZ, but that would deny RoC its claim to all the gas, or maybe Recep and Mustapha could let RoC control the sea but not anything underneath it.

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Is it not time the UK claimed its rights to it's EEZ in the eastern med that extend out from its sovereign territory in Cyprus ? Rule Britannia !

And can all the snowflakes please stop banging on about colonialism. Everyone knows that is ancient history.
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It's quite interesting that to even be slightly patriotic in that you are not embarrassed by every day of your country's history and hope that your country thrives in the future will have you labelled as a xenophobic, nationalistic, fascist.

If you take pride in the fact that your country did its best to stop slavery that will be undermined by the fact that you shouldn't have been involved in it in the first place. The fact that most countries on Earth had an active hand in the trade will be ignored only America and Britain's role needs to be highlighted. We will of course ignore that the slave trade was active for hundreds of years before Britain was involved and continues to this day hundreds of years later.

If you take pride in the fact that your country did it's best to fight fascism that will be undermined by pointing to a few fascists in Britain and Russia's admittedly major role in defeating Germany. The fact that Russia was aligned with Nazi Germany right up to the moment they were attacked by their ally will of course be ignored as will the fact that Britain and America could well have ducked out of the war with Germany.

I personally am well aware that Britain's history has not been blemish free, no country that has had an Empire ever has a blemish free history but I think on the whole we did as much good as we did harm and like I do not blame any German over the age of 90 for Nazi Germany I don't think it is unfair for any Britain under the age of 200 not to be blamed for slavery.

But then I do not push a dogma that needs to undermine countries/borders, family and religion to push a failed system

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Fri 04 Sep 2020 1:18 pm
It's quite interesting that to even be slightly patriotic in that you are not embarrassed by every day of your country's history and hope that your country thrives in the future will have you labelled as a xenophobic, nationalistic, fascist.
No one here in this thread has labelled you or anyone else as xenophobic, nationalistic or fascist, that I can see ? There may be some implication if you choose to see it that way I guess. If only there was a word for some so excessively thin skinned and sensitive and defensive about a subject ?

What is difference between a term like 'racist right' and 'snowflake left' I wonder ?

Patriotic is not the same thing as racist in the same way that virtue is not the same thing as virtue signalling.
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But then I do not push a dogma .....
Not being able to see when you are pushing dogma is not the same thing as not pushing dogma ;)

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erol wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 1:39 pm

No one here in this thread has labelled you or anyone else as xenophobic, nationalistic or fascist, that I can see ? There may be some implication if you choose to see it that way I guess. If only there was a word for some so excessively thin skinned and sensitive and defensive about a subject ?

What is difference between a term like 'racist right' and 'snowflake left' I wonder ?

Patriotic is not the same thing as racist in the same way that virtue is not the same thing as virtue signalling.
Aaaaaand totally avoided the point.

OK let's have a look at this virtue.

We have people risking their lives to get to the UK to improve their lives and is labelled as a humanitarian crisis.
The UK doesn't take it's fair share of refugees apparently. There are 80 million refugees apparently so give me a figure on what would be our fair share? It doesn't have to be exact. let's say to the nearest 500,000 or the population of Manchester.

Also the main thing is ensuring that these people can travel to the UK safely and get what help we can give them. That is the priority, that is the humanitarian thing, the virtuous thing. The only thing the left care about?

Ok how's this for a deal. They can come, the only condition is they can't vote in UK elections. You know like I can't vote in elections here.
Fair?
Still keen on them coming?

You're answer will be., no number on how many refugees we should take.I will look like I am giving an answer but there will just be words.

Refugees not getting a vote will of course be undemocratic. We will ignore the lack of democracy in other countries for this part of the show.

Let's be honest the left have totally lost the working class vote and need to import voters so that is the burning need to allow the refugees in the country. Let's simplify the terms. Let's not call them asylum seekers, migrants or refugees let's just call them potential voters.
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But then I do not push a dogma .....
Not being able to see when you are pushing dogma is not the same thing as not pushing dogma ;)
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I have my eyes wide open to right wing dog whistles but as I have both eyes open I can see the left's agenda too.

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Role on 23:00 hrs December 31st. And I would say that people like Blair, Starmer, Bercow and other traitors to the British people should be held accountable for their treacherous actions. And, the fish and all other resources in our waters are ours. The fact that through crazy agreements by self serving politicians allowed them to take most of our fish whist we were members of the this rotten club will stop when we leave and become a fully sovereign nation again!

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Aaaaaand totally avoided the point.
Indeed you have. What is difference between a term like 'racist right' and 'snowflake left' I wonder ? Please note no one here in this thread used a term like 'racist right'. You did use the term 'snowflake left' and then went on to bemoan the conflating of patriotism with xenophobia. Are you seeing the point yet ?
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I have my eyes wide open to right wing dog whistles but as I have both eyes open I can see the left's agenda too.
Can you show a single post here where you have ever talked about 'right wing dog whistling' ? Would you like me to show some where you bemoan the 'left's agenda' ?

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Erol if it helps Labour was 3.7 million votes short of the Tories last election. Let’s assume 80% of the potential voters vote Labour then 6 million will only give you a net 3.6 million votes so I think 7 million would be the virtuous amount of migrants, asylum seekers, refugees. No this is far too long winded potential voters is much quicker and we know where we are. So 7 million is the virtuous amount but do bear in mind the first past the post system so you’ll need to move them around the U.K. a bit. Also until you manage to get the voting age reduced to 12 or whatever is the latest wheeze you might need them to amend their ages from 13 to their true 38.

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erol wrote:
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Aaaaaand totally avoided the point.
Indeed you have. What is difference between a term like 'racist right' and 'snowflake left' I wonder ? Please note no one here in this thread used a term like 'racist right'. You did use the term 'snowflake left' and then went on to bemoan the conflating of patriotism with xenophobia. Are you seeing the point yet ?
I’m not seeing an answer yet. Should have tried to get a bet on. If you can’t see that racist is more offensive than snowflake then I give up.

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If you can’t see that racist is more offensive than snowflake then I give up.
So if I have understood you correctly you think there is no problem with the 'principle' of tarring whole groups with pejorative terms. It is only a problem if the degree passes some arbitrary threshold ? So you would have no problem with 'selfish right' or 'greedy right' for example ?

So how offensive is 'traitor' then ? More offensive than 'racist' or less I wonder ?

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erol wrote:
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If you can’t see that racist is more offensive than snowflake then I give up.
So if I have understood you correctly you think there is no problem with the 'principle' of tarring whole groups with pejorative terms. It is only a problem if the degree passes some arbitrary threshold ? So you would have no problem with 'selfish right' or 'greedy right' for example ?

So how offensive is 'traitor' then ? More offensive than 'racist' or less I wonder ?
Well I realise that the whole trend to label 17 million people as racist xenophobes seemed to pass you by.

The problem with this trend to label the likes of Rees Mogg and Johnson fascist is you end up losing the impact of the word. Traitor isn’t a word that I generally use but I can understand how some label those who seem to always take another countries side against their own as such. But to be fair I understand that for some that their devotion to a cause outweighs any loyalty to a country, religion, race or even their own family.

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Well I realise that the whole trend to label 17 million people as racist xenophobes seemed to pass you by.
No you still missing the point.

I , me, as an individual never did this. I in fact went out of my way to refute such arguments. You (singluar) on the other hand whine and moan (like a snowflake?) about it in this thread even when it has NOT been done to you in this thread and then go an do it yourself, with slightly less degree, with the label 'snowflake left'

Even you 'lumping' me in with people who do this, even though I have never done it myself and have refuted such arguments in the past, is doing exactly the same thing, you seem so upset about. Tarring me with a brush that does not apply to me simply because you put me the box of 'left' or 'remain' and SOME in those boxes have done such things. Just as there are SOME on the right that ARE fascist or racist.

Got it yet ?

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I must have lived and probably still do a very quiet life, just getting on with almost everyone I have ever met, so bear with me on this simple question: What is a snowflake please? I do not allude to the white, cold thing that falls from the sky by the way.

That’s me done for the day as this thread was originally about fishing right and has been steered well off course - Posh must be out at the pub! Three fears for Brexit!
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waddo wrote:
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What is a snowflake please?
It has varied meanings really but here is one from urban dictionary
snowflake
A hypersensitive, irrational person who can't stand to have their world views challenged, or be offended in any perceived or even slightest of ways; they will have any number of emotional reactions: impuning character and/or motives, blocking on social media, shouting, interrupting, threatening, assaulting, etc. They often live in an echo chamber of their own beliefs and surround themselves exclusively with people and opinions that agree with their own. This term is most often use to describe people left-leaning people, but can be applied both left and right wing people.
It is imo one of those words that is more often than not and increasingly used an an excuse to not have to listen to or address something someone says that you do not like. Very like accusations of racism can be used in such ways. Some examples

https://kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/view ... 6&#p261506
https://kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/view ... ke#p261294
https://kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/view ... ke#p218446
https://kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/view ... ke#p216374

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.....Earwig........ :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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erol wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 9:26 pm

It is imo one of those words that is more often than not and increasingly used an an excuse to not have to listen to or address something someone says that you do not like. Very like accusations of racism can be used in such ways. Some examples

https://kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/view ... ke#p216374
Ah yes I remember that one well, how it was outrageous to think that Russia just might be responsible for The Salisbury Poisonings and that a more bizarre explanation might be more appropriate because after all America, Britain bad the rest of the world good. That aged well :)

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Got it yet ?
An answer to my question as to how many refugees we should accept? No not yet. I’m guessing 7 million should do it?

Also as the priority is the humanitarian crisis then the refugees not having a vote shouldn’t be an issue should it? I’m happy to support that but I think some support might drop by the wayside somewhat

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waddo wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 8:54 pm

That’s me done for the day as this thread was originally about fishing right and has been steered well off course - Posh must be out at the pub! Three fears for Brexit!
Well I think it went a bit off course when it seemed to be suggested that we should automatically roll over to atone for sins that are hundreds of years old.

No doubt the thread will now be closed but it is getting noticeable that when the Britain bad nonsense starts that is allowed to run but the minute you try to defend against it the foul flag is immediately thrown up.

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I thought we were talking about fishing rights, not refugees, fascists and snowflakes?

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Medjoul1 wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 6:30 am
I thought we were talking about fishing rights, not refugees, fascists and snowflakes?
Well you bought up Quota system which was a flawed bit of EU regulation which the U.K. governments didn’t help with. That then produced quota hopping and the trading of licences. That was a result of over-fishing, generally by other countries as our own fisherman seemed to have a bit more sympathy with sustainable fishing.
It basically comes down to big state/government versus little state/government. When you have big state, and the EU is a typical example of that, you issue lots of regulations and micro manage industries that you haven’t got a clue about. All this does is encourage lawyers hired by big companies to drive a coach and horses through your regulations and you have a mess.

So now we keep our fishing waters to ourselves and cut a lot of the regulations and I have no doubt our fishing industry will flourish.
The U.K. fishing industry wants out of the EU but then what do they know?

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 10:48 pm
erol wrote:
Fri 04 Sep 2020 6:12 pm

Got it yet ?
An answer to my question as to how many refugees we should accept? No not yet. I’m guessing 7 million should do it?

Also as the priority is the humanitarian crisis then the refugees not having a vote shouldn’t be an issue should it? I’m happy to support that but I think some support might drop by the wayside somewhat
In forum discussion like these, everyone picks and choose what they want to reply to and say and what they ignore. I do it. You do it. Everyone does it. Look at my first post in this thread, where I ask an on topic question, which so far no one has addressed at all. We all do this but we do not all whine and moan about others doing it to us even as we ourselves do it to others. Only some do that and you, imo, demonstrably and consistently do this more than most.

How many people genuinely fleeing persecution in their home countries should the UK grant asylum too ? Well here is a historical guide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_esca ... %20country.

To get more contemporary I think the UK could and should aspire to do better than
source - https://old.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn01403.pdf
source - https://old.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn01403.pdf
and
source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
As to rights to vote - this to me is a classic 'dog whistle' argument given that a grant of asylum in the UK does not confer a right to vote in general elections. It does grant a route to eventual (but not guaranteed) citizenship over time of least 5 years but even then the notion that such people will automatically vote 'left' is for me just yet more 'dog whistle' politics in the absence of any actual evidence to support such a claim. As is the idea that everyone who supports the UK doing more that it currently does to help those seeking asylum does so not out of any genuine concern for the plight of such people but only does so because it will mean more labour votes. To me such arguments are just pure nonsense.

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Just to get back on my original topic. The agreement made on uk fishing that almost wiped out the uk fishing industry should end when we finally leave the self serving, power mad undemocratic Eu. The Eu have absolutely no right to dictate to the Uk what happens to our resources. Our waters, our resources.

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.... our own fisherman seemed to have a bit more sympathy with sustainable fishing.
:lol:
iam sure, they are all greenpeace members....
sustainable fishing is a political will and during the last decades the UK could have done here much more..

So now we keep our fishing waters to ourselves and cut a lot of the regulations and I have no doubt our fishing industry will flourish.
($$)

in the sake of the fish.. i believe it needs MORE regulations...

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erol wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 10:07 am

How many people genuinely fleeing persecution in their home countries should the UK grant asylum too ? Well here is a historical guide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_esca ... %20country.

To get more contemporary I think the UK could and should aspire to do better than

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and

migration1.JPG
Yes that's relative, Jews escaping the holocaust against a 38 year old Albanian pretending to be 14. I always imagine the conversation with the people trafficker. "I'm 38 there is no way I can pass as a 14 year old. Listen these idiots will let you identify as a woman or black if you want, It wont be an issue."
Britain's record on allowing in people such as the Ugandan Asians, Hugarian refugees in 56 and Vietnamese boat people isn't bad. Mind you there was a genuine threat to life there.

Yes Germany lets far more refugees in than the UK. Is the AFG now the largest opposition party in Germany? Cause and effect. Personally I don't believe a substantial proportion of Germans decided to revisit fascism overnight but I do believe thar ordinary people might have had enough and wish to register a protest vote. Whilst the left exaggerate the rise of the far right they are doing everything in their power to encourage it.

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As to rights to vote - this to me is a classic 'dog whistle' argument given that a grant of asylum in the UK does not confer a right to vote in general elections. It does grant a route to eventual (but not guaranteed) citizenship over time of least 5 years but even then the notion that such people will automatically vote 'left' is for me just yet more 'dog whistle' politics in the absence of any actual evidence to support such a claim.
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OK so you will have no problem in taking it off the table so it can't be used as a dog whistle, trope, weaponised or whatever the soundbite is this week?

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kibsolar1999 wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 10:36 am
.... our own fisherman seemed to have a bit more sympathy with sustainable fishing.
:lol:
iam sure, they are all greenpeace members....
Since Greenpeace was hijacked by the left even one of the founders of Greenpeace isn't a member of Greenpeace.
kibsolar1999 wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 10:36 am
in the sake of the fish.. i believe it needs MORE regulations...
I assume the left aren't confident in reducing the voting age down to 8 or whatever their latest desperate attempt to shore up their declining vote is so you are now courting the fish vote. It's a good move as fish don't have very long memories but I can see logistical problems getting them into polling stations.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 10:43 am
Yes that's relative, Jews escaping the holocaust against a 38 year old Albanian pretending to be 14. I always imagine the conversation with the people trafficker. "I'm 38 there is no way I can pass as a 14 year old. Listen these idiots will let you identify as a woman or black if you want, It wont be an issue."
Leaving the world of dog whistle politics and returning to the real world for a moment.

In 2018 2384 Albanians sought asylum in the UK. In that same year 28 applications for asylum were granted to Albanians on initial application and 1085 were rejected. A further 166 were granted on review of initial rejection vs 238 rejected.

source - https://www.worlddata.info/europe/unite ... asylum.php

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erol wrote:
Sat 05 Sep 2020 11:49 am

Leaving the world of dog whistle politics and returning to the real world for a moment.

In 2018 2384 Albanians sought asylum in the UK. In that same year 28 applications for asylum were granted to Albanians on initial application and 1085 were rejected. A further 166 were granted on review of initial rejection vs 238 rejected.

source - https://www.worlddata.info/europe/unite ... asylum.php
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... t-dinghies


And of those how many are back in Albania?

Do you have figures for say Albanians pretending to be Kosovan? I realise that is going back a few years and obviously it's better quoting more recent figures now those that most of those who wanted to come here are already here.

Do you think it's a remote possiblity that a lot of Albanians might not be appearing in the figures? Maybe they are self-employed say?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ays-agency

Obviously there are cultural ties that draw Albanians to the UK but apart from Norman Wisdom I'm struggling to find where Britain put one foot in Albania or indeed any huge humanitarian crises that needs us to grant asylum to Albanians apart from the fact its a bit of a dump.
I think that might be a factor in the lack of success in the asylum applications.

I do however acknowledge that the Albanians have added immensely to our cultural diversity with the drug trade, prostitution and people smuggling and how Britain would be a poorer place without these treasures.

Threw in a few dog whistle articles from The Guardian for you ;)

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