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We will have to wait and see the detail. Both sides will be claiming 'victory' to appease their supporters/members no doubt.

I see one immediate casualty is the withdrawal from the Erasus Education Programme that has benefited students from the Uk for decades. One wonders what is behind this backward step, higher tuition fees for Brit students perhaps?

I think we will also find that Johnson has given ground (sea) on that most important of sticking points, Fishing rights. Proving that all along it was just a red herring in negotiations to appease the xenophobes and right wing of the party in power.

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We’ve been sold down the river, fishermen exclaim

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Medjoul1 wrote:
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I see one immediate casualty is the withdrawal from the Erasus Education Programme that has benefited students from the Uk for decades. One wonders what is behind this backward step, higher tuition fees for Brit students perhaps?
As I would imagine that this is a reciprocal arrangement then I'd be interested in the relative benefits and costs.
Personally I can live without my taxes paying for someone to study media studies in Barcelona.

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In its place will be a new scheme named after the mathematician Alan Turing which will save the UK a lot of wonga
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In its place will be a new scheme named after the mathematician Alan Turing which will save the UK a lot of wonga
Which will be a worldwide scheme. Damn those little Englanders

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I think we will also find that Johnson has given ground (sea) on that most important of sticking points, Fishing rights. Proving that all along it was just a red herring in negotiations to appease the xenophobes and right wing of the party in power.

The far left are far more anti eu than the far right.

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I see one immediate casualty is the withdrawal from the Erasus Education Programme that has benefited students from the Uk for decades. One wonders what is behind this backward step, higher tuition fees for Brit students perhaps?
I take it you mean Erasmus... and while we are off-topic, here's some info for those pushing project fear for the last four f-ing years...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-you.html

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I did mean Erasmus yes Groucho thanks for highlighting the typo.

I don't subscribe to the 'I'm alright Jack' and 'little englander' attitudes held by some on this forum. I personally know students that have completed their degrees, in English, in the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark at no cost to the Uk tax payer other than obviously spending their living costs abroad and avoiding the Students loan programme. I believe that the best education we can give is one of the greatest gifts to young people starting out in life.

The 'Turing Programme' is a pipe dream that is on the drawing board not the launch pad and a cursory google search of the worlds top universities will indicate that they seem to have done without such a vision for now. Remind me again who is the Minister for Education?

You are right Groucho, this is being dragged off topic yet again, this thread could have spawned multiple variants. Btw, I don't think quoting the Daily Mail (Tory cheerleader) is convincing evidence, it highlights the partisan divide.

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Without doubt the detrimental effects of both COVID and BREXIT will leave those in their educational formative years disadvantaged.
EU exchange schemes in education, security, welfare , policing are all negatively impacted.
In time, probably years, some level of co operation will hopefully re emerge. I hope a closer relationship with Europe also evolves. Certainly anything positive must be to mutual advantage. Much to the disappointment of the small Englander brigade that by then may off the mortal coil.

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I personally know students that have completed their degrees, in English, in the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark at no cost to the Uk tax payer other than obviously spending their living costs abroad and avoiding the Students loan programme.
OK so please clarify how it worked. Our students didn't need a loan and the UK made zero contribution and there was no reciprocal arrangement? So our students went to the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark and had a freebie but we didn't allow students from the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark into the UK to study or, if we did, the governments of the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark paid without a quibble even though they educated our students for nothing? Doesn't seem likely to me. Or did the governments of the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark pay for our students and we paid for theirs?
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The 'Turing Programme' is a pipe dream that is on the drawing board not the launch pad and a cursory google search of the worlds top universities will indicate that they seem to have done without such a vision for now.
That'll be because it is new just like at one time the Erasmus scheme was new.
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Remind me again who is the Minister for Education?
That would be Gavin Williamson. I think his main qualification is that he appears to have had an education unlike some of the more recent shadow ministers Angela Rayner and Rebecca Wrong Daily. Angela managed to avoid learning how to use a condom and Wrong Daily gave Corbyn’s leadership 10 out of 10 so I don’t think she was the sharpest either..

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The far left are far more anti eu than the far right.
Is there a far left? I think they are allegedly democratic socialists or at least the ones who joined The Labour Party in 2015 and after are.
When I say democratic, that doesn't apply to freedom of speech, thought, action or what we would understand by a free vote of course.
Any one that includes soft left, left, centre left, centre and anything right of that are of course now fascists..

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So The Deal is in the bag.
Fish? What fish? its a massive climb down as expected.

Great news tho. I am able to hold onto my customers in the EU.
Just as long as I complete reams of paperwork to illustrate that non competition EU policy is fulfilled. Complete EU import and customs documentation.
Complete paperwork that illustrates my products fulfill EU regulations.
Yes
Dead right we are back in control. Dead right it is difficult.
Dead wrong we're better off.

Hey at least the've got to do it too That will please a few!!

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Fri 25 Dec 2020 12:00 pm
TAC wrote:
Fri 25 Dec 2020 11:25 am
In its place will be a new scheme named after the mathematician Alan Turing which will save the UK a lot of wonga
Which will be a worldwide scheme. Damn those little Englanders
Indeed this has now been update

Meanwhile, the Department for Education has announced further details of the Turing scheme which will replace the Erasmus student exchange from September 2021.

It will provide funding for around 35,000 students in universities, colleges and schools in the UK to go on placements and exchanges overseas, stretching beyond Europe with £100m set aside for 2021/22, the DfE said.
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Sat 26 Dec 2020 11:17 pm

£100m set aside for 2021/22, the DfE said.
Probably not as good as the current scheme where no doubt the EU give us £100m for free after we send them 200m first.
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This has got nothing to do with fish or territorial waters but for the benefit of the 'blue rinse brigade', your naivety astounds me or do you have so much faith in the arch liar and his low cabinet?

They announce that the 'world class Turing programme' is to be up and running in Sept '21 and 35,000 students will be sent abroad funded by £100 million pounds. This is 'pie in the sky' territory from people who cannot be trusted. Who did the math, Priti Patel? It is more pertinent to ask, who, where and how. A world class programme needs world class participants and that includes the centres of learning as well as the students.
Its simply ridiculous to even suggest that our brightest are going to receive a world class education funded on £2,857.14p. It sounds like some scheme from a backword authoritarian regime eg Cuba, or is it all about control, the real reason for Brexit.

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Medjoul1 wrote:
Sun 27 Dec 2020 8:08 am
This has got nothing to do with fish or territorial waters
You bought up the Erasmus scheme in message 252 and it has been explained that there is a new scheme to take over from it, You now are declaring it off topic? Seriously?
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your naivety astounds me or do you have so much faith in the arch liar and his low cabinet?
Well as someone who isn’t naïve and doesn’t believe in lies can I ask you to answer my questions about the ‘free’ Erasmus scheme please? To remind you;
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OK so please clarify how it worked. Our students didn't need a loan and the UK made zero contribution and there was no reciprocal arrangement? So our students went to the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark and had a freebie but we didn't allow students from the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark into the UK to study or, if we did, the governments of the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark paid without a quibble even though they educated our students for nothing? Doesn't seem likely to me. Or did the governments of the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark pay for our students and we paid for theirs?
You'll want to answer those before we return to the topic won't you?

As for the rest of your post. Early days.
It may not be as good as the Erasmus scheme because tbf if the rest of Europe were giving us a free gift, as you are going to explain, you can’t really beat that.

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I think if anything illustrates the scale of the disconnect between the liberal-left political class and the vast majority of the population it's the whining over the Erasmus scheme.

We should ignore the plight of our fishermen because there are only 12,000 of them, if we ignore the associated shops etc which rely on the fisherman's pay packets? But the fact that roughly the same amount of students might lose their free holiday by leaving the Erasmus scheme is a tragedy?

A 2010 HEFCE study concluded that UK participants were “disproportionately young, female, white and middle-class, and are academic high-achievers” - the figures haven't changed much since

I doubt if 98% of the UK population had heard of the Erasmus scheme and I really can't see people working for minimum wage in Durham have suddenly thought 'Well, I supported Brexit, but once I realised that Tabitha up the road can't have a subsidised year in Tuscany, that was the final straw for me.'

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I doubt if 98% of the UK population had heard of the Erasmus scheme and I really can't see people working for minimum wage in Durham have suddenly thought 'Well, I supported Brexit, but once I realised that Tabitha up the road can't have a subsidised year in Tuscany, that was the final straw for me.'
A bit off topic perhaps but given that you appear to be the spokesperson for 98 % of population , can you tell me what those on minimum wage in Durham think about 100's of millions of pounds of their taxes being spent annually on desperately needy charities like Eton or Bedford school to help them build their olympic size indoor swimming pool complexes and state of the art science and IT labs ?

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erol wrote:
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A bit off topic perhaps but given that you appear to be the spokesperson for 98 % of population , can you tell me what those on minimum wage in Durham think about 100's of millions of pounds of their taxes being spent annually on desperately needy charities like Eton or Bedford school to help them build their olympic size indoor swimming pool complexes and state of the art science and IT labs ?
Very off topic whataboutism but not to worry.

98% is a guess but considering that we have 2.4 million in university education and I believe less than 20,000 avail themselves of the Erasmus scheme which is less than 1% of just university students I'm willing to have a bet that this is right up there with Waitrose running out of quinoa or I’m going to have to pay my au pair more or I won’t be able to spend more than 90 days at a time at my holiday home for the man in the street.
I f ever Labour want to have a bash at regaining the red wall I'm available for tips.

Btw, does the 100s of millions matter Erol? I know the £300 million a year spent on health tourists didn’t bend you out of shape but then the buzz word Eton didn’t crop up. I know we can discount it by saying it is a tiny percentage of the total NHS budget. The education budget is 100 billion so I guess the same applies?

The whole he’s a toff from Eton card didn’t play too well in the general election so I am inclined to think that most people don’t really care or realise that those playing the card are up to their necks using the private education sector themselves.

But let’s have a look at the maths.
The amount spent on each primary school child in England in 2017-18 was £4,700, compared with £6,200 for secondary school children. So shall we say an average £5,300 is fair?
There are 620,000 children privately educated in the UK. The parents paying for that education are also paying into the state education system through their taxes, a state education system they are not making any call on.

So we close all the private schools and spend that £5,300 educating each of the 620,000 kids who are now in the state system? Let’s say we have room for them all and ignore the cost of building schools and training teachers that’s three and a quarter billion pounds a year by my back of the fag packet.

Anyhow it seems that the Eton headmaster has now embraced wokeism so if Eton don’t bin him I can see their popularity plummeting.
As the saying goes, go woke go broke.

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Btw, does the 100s of millions matter Erol? I know the £300 million a year spent on health tourists didn’t bend you out of shape but then the buzz word Eton didn’t crop up.
People getting health care from the NHS who are not entitled does bother me, despite what you think you know about me and declare here as some kind of indisputable fact. But here is the thing, the people who are getting NHS healthcare when they should not are not the same people who dominate all the levers of power in the UK are they ? Who have dominated such for last 300 years ?
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The whole he’s a toff from Eton card didn’t play too well in the general election so I am inclined to think that most people don’t really care or realise that those playing the card are up to their necks using the private education sector themselves.
And here is the thing on that - I am not playing cards, though it appears to me you are from what I can see and you are pretty good at it. I just say what I think and why because that is what I think. I think institutions like Eton having charity status and then using gift aid laws to take 100's of millions of tax payer money to fund their exclusive facilities is just obscene. It only continues because it is the very alumni of those schools that hold such disproportionate power. But I guess that is of no concern to you or the 98 % of 'normal' people you speak for because it does not serve the 'everything is the fault of left wing liberals' myth ?

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I think institutions like Eton having charity status and then using gift aid laws to take 100's of millions of tax payer money to fund their exclusive facilities is just obscene. It only continues because it is the very alumni of those schools that hold such disproportionate power. But I guess that is of no concern to you or the 98 % of 'normal' people you speak for because it does not serve the 'everything is the fault of left wing liberals' myth ?
I’m assuming that as you haven’t challenged my maths you admit there is no economic grounds to back up your case? Just it’s not fair? Heres news for you, life isn’t fair.
I’m not saying I speak for 98% of normal people but I’m guessing by the election results that Johnson went to Eton and we need to prioritise trans rights and Palestine isn’t playing to well, what do you think?
TBF there needs to be a root and branch review of charities and charitable status. We have some charities such as the RSPCA who take money from well-meaning donators for animal care and spend it on political campaigns. Others such as Guide Dogs for the Blind hoover up a massive proportion of money given for the blind which bears no resemblance to the relief they give for the blind. Other pay obscene salaries to those at the top. Other fund raise to build up vast reserves which never seem to be spent. So Eton abuse their charitable status. I’ll add them to a long list.
Your problem is that Eton educates the elite? Here’s news for you, there is always an elite. It is generally based on status money or can be based on how well you climb the slippery pole of party politics but there is always an elite. And yes their conditions won’t be the same as the ordinary person.
So we what, eliminate all private schools or just the Etons of this world? A lot of what I would label ordinary people send their children to private school. You own parents did. Were they ever mistaken for the Duke of Westminster? I’m guessing they were pretty ordinary people who did well and spent their money how they wanted? Is that a crime?
Now let’s move onto Eton. Let’s say we eliminate Eton. Do you honestly think that is the end of Eton? You don’t think by some miracle it will up sticks and go to Switzerland say taking all its elite pupils with it?

If I was you I'd start another thread if you want to debate this as it is very off topic from Brexit and fish.
Personally I think the whole Eton thing falls into the fox hunting debate.
Yes I think fox hunting is cruel and I've yet to be convinced that 100 people chasing one fox on horseback with dogs is an effective way to cull foxes and it is posh people who partake in the main but it is so far down my list of priorities you'd need the Hubble telescope to find it.

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The salty tears of British fisherman are now coming forth to haunt. The suffering is out there for all to see.
Jersey fisherman are being stopped from landing into France.
Peterhead trawlers are now running to Denmark to land fish into market.
Its very well to catching fish but like any commodity you must get the product to market which for many is in the EU.

The lies and promises sold to these hard working people is leaving many on the verge of collapse as they cannot get their product to their EU market.
the narrow window of supply (48hrs normally) is meaning hundred of tons of fish being dumped.


National federation of fishermen are today accusing the government of blatant lies and foul.
Could they have secured a better deal. No I don't think so. The sacrificial lamb was always there and now the industry is clearly reeling from the betrayal and lies.
Fishing is the first Industry to feel the full reality of Brexit.

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We've been out less than 3 weeks. It used to take that long to tune a video recorder.

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We've been out less than 3 weeks. It used to take that long to tune a video recorder.
:lol: Unless you read the instructions of course, would have been a lot quicker.

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We've been out less than 3 weeks. It used to take that long to tune a video recorder.
Tell that to the working fishermen whos livelihoods are on the brink and who most certainly see the folly in supporting the likes of Farage and Johnson.
I see very little positive angle for the new freedoms our UK fishing fleets have secured and taken back. Boats are currently tied up against the dock due to the loss of market access. Unsustainable....even whilst you tune your electronic gadgets.
To divorce your biggest customer and hope they'll come begging is a very poor commercial strategy indeed.
Once again. The notion that we would leave without penalty and loss was and is so wrong and misunderstood.

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Tell that to the working fishermen whos livelihoods are on the brink and who most certainly see the folly in supporting the likes of Farage and Johnson.
Who were overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit.
But let's hope they get severely punished for their decision eh?

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:lol: Unless you read the instructions of course, would have been a lot quicker.
Was that what they were for???
Generally I used to read the Japanese instructions as they made far more sense!

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Was that what they were for???
Generally I used to read the Japanese instructions as they made far more sense!

Oh good...please come and fix out that stupid woman speaking to me in my car on the SatNav. No idea how to shut her up. It's a Japanese thing, but she talks in English....I did not realise we had so many railway crossings on the road from Tatlisu to Girne. I do love her telling me I can only turn right, which would be over into the sea. Maybe she thinks that my car is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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Oh good...please come and fix out that stupid woman speaking to me in my car on the SatNav. No idea how to shut her up. It's a Japanese thing, but she talks in English....I did not realise we had so many railway crossings on the road from Tatlisu to Girne. I do love her telling me I can only turn right, which would be over into the sea. Maybe she thinks that my car is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
I get that but then I switch to the man, he always makes much more sense :) w:)

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alphamike wrote:
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Oh good...please come and fix out that stupid woman speaking to me in my car on the SatNav. No idea how to shut her up. It's a Japanese thing, but she talks in English....I did not realise we had so many railway crossings on the road from Tatlisu to Girne. I do love her telling me I can only turn right, which would be over into the sea. Maybe she thinks that my car is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
I get that but then I switch to the man, he always makes much more sense :) w:)
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Good gawd, I've just watched Life on Mars and now into Ashes to Ashes. Am I in an alternative universe? :lol:
The amount of times I've made that joke when someone is swearing at their satnav and either got a puzzled look or someone slowly explain to me that only the voice changes not the directions :)

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Sun 17 Jan 2021 2:56 pm
The amount of times I've made that joke when someone is swearing at their satnav and either got a puzzled look or someone slowly explain to me that only the voice changes not the directions :)
:lol: You are one for taking the mickey, but not always understood over t'internet.

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Sun 17 Jan 2021 2:07 pm
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Sun 17 Jan 2021 1:02 pm

Tell that to the working fishermen whos livelihoods are on the brink and who most certainly see the folly in supporting the likes of Farage and Johnson.
Who were overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit.
But let's hope they get severely punished for their decision eh?
No absolutely not.
Lets hope that the clear light of the real world allows enlightenment and then a new campaign to re establish a good commercial union with our European customers that if favourable conditions are restored will buy our products
I'm certain that in due course those that were hoodwinked will push on and discover for themselves truth and reality. I guess it could take some years but experience and fact will prevail over lies and fake news.

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I'm certain that in due course those that were hoodwinked will push on and discover for themselves truth and reality. I guess it could take some years but experience and fact will prevail over lies and fake news.
I'm up for a referendum in 2057. We had one in 2016, 41 years after the one in 1975 so fairs fair.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 3:53 pm
waz-24-7 wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 3:34 pm

I'm certain that in due course those that were hoodwinked will push on and discover for themselves truth and reality. I guess it could take some years but experience and fact will prevail over lies and fake news.
I'm up for a referendum in 2057. We had one in 2016, 41 years after the one in 1975 so fairs fair.
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Brazen wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 4:30 pm
EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 3:53 pm
waz-24-7 wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 3:34 pm

I'm certain that in due course those that were hoodwinked will push on and discover for themselves truth and reality. I guess it could take some years but experience and fact will prevail over lies and fake news.
I'm up for a referendum in 2057. We had one in 2016, 41 years after the one in 1975 so fairs fair.
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Me too :+1:) OR before.
If Scotland get another UK departure vote then who knows.

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Sun 17 Jan 2021 8:05 pm

Me too :+1:) OR before.
If Scotland get another UK departure vote then who knows.
2050 something at the least. Be interesting to see how many countries will still be in it
Scotland will keep wanting referendums and will keep voting to stay

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 9:35 pm
waz-24-7 wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 8:05 pm

Me too :+1:) OR before.
If Scotland get another UK departure vote then who knows.
2050 something at the least. Be interesting to see how many countries will still be in it
Scotland will keep wanting referendums and will keep voting to stay
I think the threat of breakup of the UK is bigger now than ever.
The SDP in Scotland and Ireland reunification are gathering real momentum, Division within the UK is at an all time high and is very concerning.
If in 50 yrs (for example) England selects to join a new trading union with Europe and possibly Scotland Ireland and Wales then that will be a positive outcome.
Hopefully a sensible leader of a rejoin party will say it as it is and voters will be better informed and happy to embrace co operation and a common prosperity.

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Benjamin Franklin's comment at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence: "We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Patrick Henry used the phrase in his last public speech, given in March 1799, in which he denounced The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions. Clasping his hands and swaying unsteadily, Henry declaimed, "Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall."
.... But then again, they were bl**dy yanks, and even today, they're all falling out amongst themselves, so all together or each village standing proud and separate - who knows (or cares) which is right...
... as long as I'm alright.... :lol:

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Sun 17 Jan 2021 10:00 pm

I think the threat of breakup of the UK is bigger now than ever.
The SDP in Scotland and Ireland reunification are gathering real momentum, Division within the UK is at an all time high and is very concerning.
If in 50 yrs (for example) England selects to join a new trading union with Europe and possibly Scotland Ireland and Wales then that will be a positive outcome.
Hopefully a sensible leader of a rejoin party will say it as it is and voters will be better informed and happy to embrace co operation and a common prosperity.
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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Mon 18 Jan 2021 4:07 pm
waz-24-7 wrote:
Sun 17 Jan 2021 10:00 pm

I think the threat of breakup of the UK is bigger now than ever.
The SDP in Scotland and Ireland reunification are gathering real momentum, Division within the UK is at an all time high and is very concerning.
If in 50 yrs (for example) England selects to join a new trading union with Europe and possibly Scotland Ireland and Wales then that will be a positive outcome.
Hopefully a sensible leader of a rejoin party will say it as it is and voters will be better informed and happy to embrace co operation and a common prosperity.
doomed.jpg
I believe this gentleman died many years ago. Perhaps you could bring him back. He'd certainly be on the beaches with Mr Farage repelling the millions of Turks that apparently all want to come to the UK. (the red bus slogan reigns true again)
I do hope you wont join the latest Farage campaign to take on China. Word is it will be a blue bus next time and a billion Chinese will be on UK shores.

seriously...Are we doomed. No but are we in a position to prosper? Absolutely not. Mainly because we were not prepared, no plan , no deal not at least until the last day of the last year some 4 years after the vote. Its disgraceful and a damn disaster.

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waz-24-7 wrote:
Tue 19 Jan 2021 12:20 am

I believe this gentleman died many years ago.
As Dad's Army was made 50 years ago and he was about 70 when it started I think you might be right.
Covid maybe?

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Welsh shipping ports and commercial ferries left empty as vessels now seek out direct to the EU routes.
The hit on the economy and GDP is yet to be published.

Can anyone within government step up and save the jobs and businesses that are clearly being crucified?

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Comrade Keir will take us straight back into the EU, so only a couple of years to wait and suffer. He won't even bother with a referendum I've been reliably told :+1:)

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Welsh shipping ports and commercial ferries left empty as vessels now seek out direct to the EU routes.
The hit on the economy and GDP is yet to be published.
Excellent news thanks for keeping us posted :+1:)

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frontalman wrote:
Fri 22 Jan 2021 10:03 am
Comrade Keir will take us straight back into the EU, so only a couple of years to wait and suffer. He won't even bother with a referendum I've been reliably told :+1:)
I have my doubts that he will be in charge of Labour in a couple of years. The hard left are firmly entrenched so unless he purges he has little chance of long term survival.
2017 was the closest the Communists have ever been to power in the UK they aren't going to pack up their tents and walk away that easy after getting so close.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Fri 22 Jan 2021 10:27 am
waz-24-7 wrote:
Thu 21 Jan 2021 8:53 pm
Welsh shipping ports and commercial ferries left empty as vessels now seek out direct to the EU routes.
The hit on the economy and GDP is yet to be published.
Excellent news thanks for keeping us posted :+1:)
Sorry not good news at all. Facts that need to be dealt with. UK Government. I/we await your disaster recovery plan.

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