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Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 5:34 pm
by £eagle
The Scottish parliament and the English parliament separately legislated for union in 1707. To dissolve the union should therefore require both sides to agree, probably following separate referenda.
No referendum can be sensibly proposed unless there is a detailed understanding of the terms of "divorce" c.f Brexit. If Scotland were to be behind an economic Hadrian's wall independence may not look very attractive.
Does Scotland need England (and Wales and NI)?
Does England (and Wales and NI) need Scotland?
Any thoughts anyone?
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 5:52 pm
by cyprus2016
Up until now, I thought it was only Tory Home Counties politicians who thought the Scottish border was at Hadrian's Wall. It seems Geography is no longer being taught in UK schools! However if you are proposing the borders of Scotland be 'moved south' then please do include the whole of County Durham too as I feel I would be much better-off in a European Scottish state.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 6:05 pm
by £eagle
It is a metaphor.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 6:22 pm
by waz-24-7
Given the division resulting from Brexit this could be a very emotive subject for debate.
I have always been against any break up of the United Kingdom and I was pleased when Scotland voted to remain within the Union.
Many will be aware of my position on divergence from co operation and economic Unions such as the EU and UK.
The position now is rather difficult.
The current Scottish position is clearly influenced by their general desire to re join the EU economic Union. I fully support that on the one hand but oppose a break up of the UK on the other as this will only ( in my opinion) further weaken British prosperity.
If Scotland do secure divorce then Wales will surely and eventually follow. The Irish political position is already shifting towards a re unification of the Island. Northern Irish citizens are registering the difficulties presented by the NEW border inflicted upon them after Brexit.
Certainly as I have indicated previously. The inflicted difficulties after Brexit were simply not considered by many. The "take back control " blinkered viewpoint was just too easily imbibed. The UK Government now has a major onward post Brexit issue to hold its own family of Union members together. Can they do it? lets see.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 7:29 pm
by PoshinDevon
Sturgeon and the SNP know that any referendum when/if it comes has to result in a win for them. If it does not happen then her and the party will lose support. It could even result in her losing her position. Get it wrong and the outlook for the party is not good, two big failures are not good on your CV.
We have family up in Scotland and they say that down south we hear a lot about what the SNP will do, the support they have etc. They are making all the noise, and sound bites as they did prior to the last referendum.
However; there is a large number who do not feel the need to break from the union. They don’t need to shout about it, they keep there powder dry and turn out and vote as they did at the last referendum.
If a referendum is to happen the SNP will face some very difficult questions, especially around economic policy and there supposed joining of the EU.
It’s nowhere near a done deal.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 8:24 pm
by waz-24-7
PoshinDevon wrote: ↑Sun 24 Jan 2021 7:29 pm
Sturgeon and the SNP know that any referendum when/if it comes has to result in a win for them. If it does not happen then her and the party will lose support. It could even result in her losing her position. Get it wrong and the outlook for the party is not good, two big failures are not good on your CV.
We have family up in Scotland and they say that down south we hear a lot about what the SNP will do, the support they have etc. They are making all the noise, and sound bites as they did prior to the last referendum.
However; there is a large number who do not feel the need to break from the union. They don’t need to shout about it, they keep there powder dry and turn out and vote as they did at the last referendum.
If a referendum is to happen the SNP will face some very difficult questions, especially around economic policy and there supposed joining of the EU.
It’s nowhere near a done deal.
Yes I would agree that its not over till its over,
What is concerning to me is the divergence and level of clear division that we now see across the Union. Uncertainty is never a positive and planning, forecasting becomes increasingly difficult particularly with the raft of issues on our plate right now. Investment and investors are nervous across the globe and they seek save havens for their money and assets. The UK government must, and are aware, they must get the country onto an even keel quickly.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Sun 24 Jan 2021 9:51 pm
by Brazen
PoshinDevon wrote: ↑Sun 24 Jan 2021 7:29 pm
Sturgeon and the SNP know that any referendum when/if it comes has to result in a win for them. If it does not happen then her and the party will lose support. It could even result in her losing her position. Get it wrong and the outlook for the party is not good, two big failures are not good on your CV.
We have family up in Scotland and they say that down south we hear a lot about what the SNP will do, the support they have etc. They are making all the noise, and sound bites as they did prior to the last referendum.
However; there is a large number who do not feel the need to break from the union. They don’t need to shout about it, they keep there powder dry and turn out and vote as they did at the last referendum.
If a referendum is to happen the SNP will face some very difficult questions, especially around economic policy and there supposed joining of the EU.
It’s nowhere near a done deal.
Yes and the government should ask those questions this time round rather than resorting to bribes to keep them in the union. Personally I couldn’t care less if they decide to leave.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 10:24 am
by EnjoyingTheSun
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Sun 24 Jan 2021 6:22 pm
Given the division resulting from Brexit this could be a very emotive subject for debate.
I have always been against any break up of the United Kingdom and I was pleased when Scotland voted to remain within the Union.
Many will be aware of my position on divergence from co operation and economic Unions such as the EU and UK.
The position now is rather difficult.
The current Scottish position is clearly influenced by their general desire to re join the EU economic Union. I fully support that on the one hand but oppose a break up of the UK on the other as this will only ( in my opinion) further weaken British prosperity.
If Scotland do secure divorce then Wales will surely and eventually follow. The Irish political position is already shifting towards a re unification of the Island. Northern Irish citizens are registering the difficulties presented by the NEW border inflicted upon them after Brexit.
Certainly as I have indicated previously. The inflicted difficulties after Brexit were simply not considered by many. The "take back control " blinkered viewpoint was just too easily imbibed. The UK Government now has a major onward post Brexit issue to hold its own family of Union members together. Can they do it? lets see.
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world but England on its own would still be 8th.
London on its own has 4 times the gdp of Scotland and 8 times that of Wales.
If Scotland and Wales wanted to leave then that would be sad but good luck to them, England would survive.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 11:14 am
by wanderer
I worked for Scottish companies since the 1970's and spent lots of work related time in the country
I still have many friends there
1 Inherent racism hate the English and most others
2 Gullible buy anything as long as you put Scot in front of it Scot coop rail
There are a majority of normal people but are subdued by the noisy aggressive Nats
The Indy ref split in the country bullied the silent majority
The majority is unfortunately dying off ( unhealthy) and the younger impressionable lot are swinging the country to vote for disaster
The English politicians' are not very endearing to us Boris Reece Mog Hancocks even the scot Gove
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 12:01 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
wanderer wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 11:14 am
I worked for Scottish companies since the 1970's and spent lots of work related time in the country
I still have many friends there
1 Inherent racism hate the English and most others
2 Gullible buy anything as long as you put Scot in front of it Scot coop rail
There are a majority of normal people but are subdued by the noisy aggressive Nats
The Indy ref split in the country bullied the silent majority
The majority is unfortunately dying off ( unhealthy) and the younger impressionable lot are swinging the country to vote for disaster
The English politicians' are not very endearing to us Boris Reece Mog Hancocks even the scot Gove
I like the Scots and have some very good Scottish friends but the over the top patriotism gets a bit much at times.
They'll loudly sing I'll never leave the glens of Scotland in their local pub in Catford.
Also they'll cheer on Nazi flesh eaters from Mars if they are playing England.
I think they may have worked out that the British used them to use up the enemies bullets during our wars.
We seemed to often send them in first against insurmountable odds because the Scots will think that one onto twenty is fair odds.
The English would hold back while we sent the Scots in for a surprise attack wearing their ever practical kilts and playing the bag pipes at full whack.
I remember going to Malta many years ago and thinking that they would love the English but discovered that they had cottoned on to the fact that we left them to face the might of the Luftwaffe with 3 Sopwith Camels
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 12:34 pm
by MVP
1. The Scots are subsidised £2,000 per person per annum - The peoples socialist republic of Scotland would no longer be able to give free money to their citizens.
2. Spain have said they would veto Scotland's entry into the EU lest it encourage Catalonia to go it's own way.
3. Scotland's national budget / defect would exclude it from joining the EU
4. EU membership accession takes a minimum of 10 years I believe.
It's a bit ironic that Scotland want's to be part of something bigger, i.e the EU , but want's to go it alone with a population of six million by cutting ties with the UK.
Personally, saving £12 billion a year in subsidies to the Scots sounds like great news to me.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 12:43 pm
by Brazen
MVP wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 12:34 pm
1. The Scots are subsidised £2,000 per person per annum - The peoples socialist republic of Scotland would no longer be able to give free money to their citizens.
2. Spain have said they would veto Scotland's entry into the EU lest it encourage Catalonia to go it's own way.
3. Scotland's national budget / defect would exclude it from joining the EU
4. EU membership accession takes a minimum of 10 years I believe.
It's a bit ironic that Scotland want's to be part of something bigger, i.e the EU , but want's to go it alone with a population of six million by cutting ties with the UK.
Personally, saving £12 billion a year in subsidies to the Scots sounds like great news to me.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 9:15 pm
by waz-24-7
OMG
Is this debate the new UKEXIT. BREXIT took us out of the European Union and now it appears some support the break up of the UK.
Very sad.
I do hope the UK remains intact. I'm a REMAINER and a RE JOINER
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 10:28 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 9:15 pm
OMG
Is this debate the new UKEXIT. BREXIT took us out of the European Union and now it appears some support the break up of the UK.
Very sad.
I do hope the UK remains intact. I'm a REMAINER and a RE JOINER
You keep bringing up the break up of the U.K. everyone else is pointing out that if Wales and Scotland do leave it will not be good for them but if that’s what they choose via a vote then leavers will support their wishes as that is democracy and leaversseem to have more respect for it than remainers
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Mon 25 Jan 2021 11:11 pm
by waz-24-7
EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 10:28 pm
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 9:15 pm
OMG
Is this debate the new UKEXIT. BREXIT took us out of the European Union and now it appears some support the break up of the UK.
Very sad.
I do hope the UK remains intact. I'm a REMAINER and a RE JOINER
You keep bringing up the break up of the U.K. everyone else is pointing out that if Wales and Scotland do leave it will not be good for them but if that’s what they choose via a vote then leavers will support their wishes as that is democracy and leaversseem to have more respect for it than remainers
ETS
Yes I appreciate that each to his own views. It must be asked however. How much break up and division is on the cards??
If Scotland, Wales and Ireland leave the UK.
Will England then further divide? Will London want to leave any union with for example Birmingham or Liverpool.
This division , divergence and localised nationalism is just not a good thing in my book.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 12:03 am
by wanderer
The Black Country is ready for Independence from the rest of the country
watch from 4:30
https://youtu.be/6hNzbDP9ll4?list=PL_CI ... yDps&t=367
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 2:15 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 11:11 pm
Yes I appreciate that each to his own views. It must be asked however. How much break up and division is on the cards??
If Scotland, Wales and Ireland leave the UK.
Will England then further divide? Will London want to leave any union with for example Birmingham or Liverpool.
This division , divergence and localised nationalism is just not a good thing in my book.
Good job it isn't going to happen then. Pure scaremongering alarmism.
There is a big difference between the UK leaving the EU and say Scotland leaving the Union.
As with all things there are people whose views are at polar opposites but generally the bulk of people generally vote for the status quo. People don't like change, they don't like stepping into the unknown.
The problem with the EU was it didn't stay as what we had been sold. It changed vastly over 40 years and people were very suspicious of where it was going. An example being the EU army which pro referendum was laughed at as being a possibility and then suddenly appeared.
So the many people who are resistant to change would probably have voted to remain if they had any confidence that what they were remaining in would stay the same or they had a say in where it was going.
Too many things were slipped past the electorate of Britain by our 'betters' and the electorate took their chance to say that's enough.
The Union has stayed consistent and powers have been devolved to the people of Scotland and Wales. Those powers might not be enough for the ones who are extreme independence but I think they will be enough to stop the majority taking a step into the unknown.
Somebody said it's the young who want independence but their views change with experience. All those student communists soon become died in the wool capitalists because they learn that communism is a lovely idea but doesn't work. Ever.
The longer they are out of the education system they learn how to think not what to think.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 3:31 pm
by kibsolar1999
there is an old saying:
when you are young and not a communist, you have no heart.
when you are old and a communist, you have no brain.
so, it seems, somewhere in the middle would be good.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 3:57 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 3:31 pm
there is an old saying:
when you are young and not a communist, you have no heart.
when you are old and a communist, you have no brain.
so, it seems, somewhere in the middle would be good.
There are very few people in the world who don't want it to be fairer and to eliminate poverty and starvation etc. The only argument is how to achieve it.
Communism and fascism remove all freedom and have an unfortunate tendency to murder millions of people.
Socialism is a lovely thought but doesn't work because they seem to be unable to grasp that equality of opportunity doesn't equal equality of outcome. In their quest to achieve the impossible they run out of money.
What Momentum are trying to sell you as true socialism is Communism rebranded.
You never get a little bit of Communism, it doesn't work like that.
It's like trying to be a little bit pregnant.
So we are left with a market economy and small government.
It is a long way from perfect but it's the best there is.
Yes there is still too much poverty in the world but it has reduced considerably everywhere over the last 100 years. Ditto health , education, life expectancy etc etc.
As for the people such as Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who are seen to be far too rich and greedy.
Now most of us have no wish to be multi billionaires. Probably most of us would be very happy with 5 or 10 million and couldn't see a way that we would ever need anymore than that. For example If I had Elton John's talent I would have quit in 1973 and be living off my riches. I wouldn't be doing concerts around the world in my 70s.
Or consider this, if Bezos and Gates had quit when they got to 5 million then we wouldn't have seen Amazon or Microsoft Windows which millions of people around the world use and which enhances their lives.
The way the world is going to reduce it's Carbon footprint isn't going to be via a committee of politicians and functionaries it is going to be via a greedy businessman for whom 100 million dollars isn't enough.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:59 pm
by kibsolar1999
Communism ..... remove all freedom and have an unfortunate tendency to murder millions of people.
rubbish
So we are left with a market economy and small government.
which also kills millions... but.. at least not at home.
Or consider this, if Bezos and Gates had quit when they got to 5 million then we wouldn't have seen Amazon or Microsoft Windows which millions of people around the world use and which enhances their lives.
you do not believe this, or? no Gates no operation systems for computers? no Bezos, no online trade?
the way the world is going to reduce it's Carbon footprint isn't going to be via a committee of politicians and functionaries it is going to be via a greedy businessman for whom 100 million dollars isn't enough.
again... st***. say it like that: no arnold schwarzenegger- no tesla cars.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 7:07 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:59 pm
which also kills millions... but.. at least not at home.
I know I was as devastated as you that the lovely Saddam Hussein wasn't left running his country in peaceful harmony.
kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:59 pm
you do not believe this, or? no Gates no operation systems for computers? no Bezos, no online trade?
You've kind of missed my point but sure all the great innovations have come from politicians and bureaucrats. After all Al Gore did invent the internet.
Yes these things would have happened but not as efficiently and not as quickly. Nothing motivates like profit unless it is a commendation or medal from the parliamentary committee of course.
And the working man's lot improves as well. Not out of the goodness of the businessman's heart but because it makes good business sense.
Study Henry Ford and the 5 dollar wage for a working day. He didn't bring it in out of love for his fellow man because he wasn't a very nice man, he bought it in because it would make him more money too.
kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:59 pm
again... st***. say it like that: no arnold schwarzenegger- no tesla cars.
The best, most efficient and cheapest electric cards will come from a businessman who, curse his name, will want to shift them in such volume that he will make a lot of money. You sell solar panels? So I assume you donate all profits bar a minimum wage to Greenpeace?
Obviously I acknowledge the Volga Formula One team and I always tried to hire a Lada from Car Rental places whenever they stocked one which was never.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:01 pm
by Brazen
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 9:15 pm
OMG
Is this debate the new UKEXIT. BREXIT took us out of the European Union and now it appears some support the break up of the UK.
Very sad.
I do hope the UK remains intact. I'm a REMAINER and a RE JOINER
Ref, your last line, we would never have guessed!
If the jocks want to leave, good luck to them. That’s democracy, which you obviously have a problem with.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:22 pm
by waz-24-7
Brazen wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:01 pm
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Mon 25 Jan 2021 9:15 pm
OMG
Is this debate the new UKEXIT. BREXIT took us out of the European Union and now it appears some support the break up of the UK.
Very sad.
I do hope the UK remains intact. I'm a REMAINER and a RE JOINER
Ref, your last line, we would never have guessed!
If the jocks want to leave, good luck to them. That’s democracy, which you obviously have a problem with.
Ref your last line.
I have no issue with and am a full supporter of democracy. Your comment is without foundation.
if you think my own views are not acceptable ; then I'm afraid it is you that is undemocratic.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 9:52 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:22 pm
Ref your last line.
I have no issue with and am a full supporter of democracy. Your comment is without foundation.
if you think my own views are not acceptable ; then I'm afraid it is you that is undemocratic.
For the last 4 years you have supported overturning a democratic vote. Now it has finally been implemented and we have left the EU within a week you want to rejoin.
So in your pro democracy view I hope that you will confirm that you will protest vigorously were we to be taken back into the EU without a clear and separate referendum?
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 10:35 pm
by waz-24-7
EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 9:52 pm
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:22 pm
Ref your last line.
I have no issue with and am a full supporter of democracy. Your comment is without foundation.
if you think my own views are not acceptable ; then I'm afraid it is you that is undemocratic.
For the last 4 years you have supported overturning a democratic vote. Now it has finally been implemented and we have left the EU within a week you want to rejoin.
So in your pro democracy view I hope that you will confirm that you will protest vigorously were we to be taken back into the EU without a clear and separate referendum?
Hmm
Democracy is exactly that. The Brexit party won the referendum. My position has always been that the majority were hoodwinked into believing the propaganda. The majority of learned experts warned against a divorce and Mr Cameron did not campaign effectively The emerging difficulties are ringing true in my opinion.
I ,like you ,have a democratic right to air my views and yes I would support a re join. I doubt it will happen any time soon but hey we joined and then we left.. democracy prevailed. There is no reason why in due course the UK may join a European Union . That re join may be by referendum or via a political mandate. who knows ; I don't care.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 11:26 pm
by desih
Are most of the guys commenting here the same experts who told us how great Brexit was going to be? How is that working out?
Scotland, in my opinion, was forced to leave the EU against her will. Scottish views were overruled by the votes of English Nationalists and many others who were convinced by the lies and misinformation spread by self interested politicians, money Fiddlers and the right wing MSM.
I think the Scottish people should now be given the opportunity to go their own way, rejoin the EU and regain the many benefits of EU membership.
I very much hope that I live to long enough to get my Scottish passport to carry proudly together with my Irish (EU) passport. Hopefully Scotland will do the right thing and do it soon.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 11:29 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
waz-24-7 wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 10:35 pm
we joined and then we left.. democracy prevailed.
There is no reason why in due course the UK may join a European Union . That re join may be by referendum or via a political mandate. who knows ; I don't care.
No democracy prevailed when we left. We never voted to join.
And you’re answer to my question is no then.
We had a democratic vote to leave but you don’t really care how we rejoin as long as we rejoin. If the population being sidelined because they might not agree then so much the better eh?
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Tue 26 Jan 2021 11:41 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
desih wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 11:26 pm
Are most of the guys commenting here the same experts who told us how great Brexit was going to be? How is that working out?
It’s been 3 weeks. Three years after joining we had to run to the IMF with a begging bowl so joining it wasn’t an immediate success was it even though it has been credited with any economic success we have had since 1973.
desih wrote: ↑Tue 26 Jan 2021 11:26 pm
Scotland, in my opinion, was forced to leave the EU against her will. Scottish views were overruled by the votes of English Nationalists and many others who were convinced by the lies and misinformation spread by self interested politicians, money Fiddlers and the right wing MSM.
I think the Scottish people should now be given the opportunity to go their own way, rejoin the EU and regain the many benefits of EU membership.
I very much hope that I live to long enough to get my Scottish passport to carry proudly together with my Irish (EU) passport. Hopefully Scotland will do the right thing and do it soon.
Scotland had votes like everyone else.
So as a patriotic Scot despite your Irish passport may I ask where you actually live?
I know Sean Connery was bricking it in 2014 that he might have to make good on his promise to leave the Bahamas and go back to live in Scotland if they won independence. Not much sun and lots more tax so I’m sure he would have gone the same way as all those Hollywood actors who were going to leave Beverly Hills if Trump won in 2016.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 8:05 am
by £eagle
Returning to my original question, should an Indyref be held in the entire UK or just Scotland?
Some parts of Scotland may want to throw off the Holyrood yoke. Should they have separate votes?
Where do you stop?
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 10:34 am
by EnjoyingTheSun
£eagle wrote: ↑Wed 27 Jan 2021 8:05 am
Returning to my original question, should an Indyref be held in the entire UK or just Scotland?
Some parts of Scotland may want to throw off the Holyrood yoke. Should they have separate votes?
Where do you stop?
It should be just Scotland otherwise it would be like having the French vote on Brexit
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 1:04 pm
by SussexBoy
And should Scots living in England and elsewhere be given a vote in a Scottish Indyref. And, if so, how do you define a "Scot"?
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 1:14 pm
by EnjoyingTheSun
SussexBoy wrote: ↑Wed 27 Jan 2021 1:04 pm
And should Scots living in England and elsewhere be given a vote in a Scottish Indyref. And, if so, how do you define a "Scot"?
No problem with Scots in England and elsewhere voting in a referendum I am just pointing out that in my experience Scots patriotism grows in proportion to the distance they live from Scotland.
Rod Stewart's Dad was Scottish although he moved to London in his twenties and his Mum was English. Rod grew up in North London and supports Celtic even though his Dad was from Edinburgh and supported Hearts. So I'd say Rod isn't much more Scottish than me but has to be dragged out of Tartan.
Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 3:57 pm
by Kanonier
There seems to be one question that the SNP can't answer. "In the event of Scotland leaving the Union, what currency would you use?" Andrew Neil tried several times, unsuccessfully.
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Re: Scottish Indyref
Posted: Wed 27 Jan 2021 4:37 pm
by jofra
"In Scotland three Banks - Bank of Scotland, Clydesdale Bank and The Royal Bank of Scotland - are still allowed to issue banknotes. The Scottish banks issue notes in denominations of £5, £10, £20, £50 and £100. Only the Royal Bank of Scotland continues to issue a small volume of £1 notes."
So there you are - all sorted!
