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Do Black Lives Matter to the BLM??

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With the BLM and the Maxists hijacking this cause we are on ground I have some experience about.
I was involved in the Rock against Racism and Anti National Front movements back in the mid to late 70s.
Racism back then was a problem and looked as if it was becoming almost respectable.
What I did find with both movements is they were both riddled with the Socialist Workers Party.
I wouldn’t have a problem with that if our sole focus was to park our political differences and protest against the fascists but the SWP doesn’t get many to their meetings when it’s purely SWP so they couldn’t resist pushing their crap so I questioned whether they were interested in just fighting fascism or just gathering a crowd to push their own extremism.

Fast forward 40 years and we have a BLM movement in the U.K.
Someone has been murdered thousands of miles away and we have a group organising marches in the UK.
Both the US & U.K. BLM movements are riddled with Marxists at the top.

Is there a major problem with racism in the UK?
There are still too many racists & black people are still behind where they should be but I think we are moving in the right direction and to say it is as bad as it was 50 years ago is ludicrous.

Are our police racist? A few are for sure but the police force have made strides on this.
Like the country as a whole, a racist who is openly racist would not be made to feel welcome in my opinion. times have changed.

The key narrative of the BLM movement are black people being killed in disproportionate numbers by the police.
I looked up the cases and certainly not in the U.K. There are a handful of cases that bear more scrutiny but there are with white deaths by the police and no data has ever shown that they are in the US.
Some statistics have been spun to try and show this but they don’t stand up to any scrutiny.

What is a pandemic in the black community is murders through gang and knife crime but the BLM movement in both countries is silent on this. Deafeningly silent.

So to me it looks as if the BLM’s aim to simply undermine confidence in the police force and black lives are irrelevant.

Marxists need to undermine our institutions to eventually take control of them so it isn’t that Black Lives Matter in the slightest it’s here’s an opportunity to get a large crowd which we needn’t usually get, to push our narrative and undermine the police.

We only have to see the protests and the hijacked vigil for poor Sarah Everard.
She was murdered by a policeman and horrendous mistakes were made by the police, Like Derek Chauvin you have to question the police monitoring and recruitment and heads need to roll. On the positive the owlife was bought to justice within hours.

Now it is a sad fact that young girls are murdered by predatory sick men.
By and large the left appear to have zero interest in women’s safety. When other poor women are murdered their silence is deafening unless they feel there is a race angle to exploit. A black women killed by a white man will pique their interest but a BAME man on a white woman, a BAME man on a BAME woman or a white man on a white woman all of those scenarios will meet with deafening silence.

In this case the left leapt at like a dog with a bone. Why? Because it gave them a chance to attack the police as a whole.
As for the vigil, who turns up to a vigil for a murdered girl with a Palestininian flag? It is like Del Boy turning up with a suitcase of moody Rolexes to sell because a crowd is there.

So back to taking the knee.
I have no problem with there being a gesture to condemn racism. I don’t think there is a problem in the game of football now our game is over represented by black players and when there was a problem the FA and all the other authorities shamefully turned a blind eye to it.

My problem is that gesture. Because that gesture supports an organisation that’s main purpose is to push Marxism.
So my take is I don’t think there is much problem with racism within English football although evidence shows football is still behind the curve on integrating Asian or gay people into football but no-one seems to care about that.

That said any gesture against racism is never a bad thing but to get full support come up with a gesture that isn’t so heavily linked with an organisation that is viewed as Marxist.
Your and others take seems to be that partucular gesture is the most important thing so you’d be willing to lose a lot of potential support to keep that gesture so I question why?

Tommy Robinson is without doubt a fascist but has limited his rhetoric to the child grooming gangs and extremist Islam.
He even has BAME supporters.
Now I am not naïve and have no doubts that Robinson is a dyed in the wool fascist and the child grooming and extremist Islam is his Trojan Horse and gateway to spout his poison and any black people or Sikhs that support him and don’t think they will be the next raget must be moronic.

So Erol you aren’t a stupid man.
I think you are very naive but you insist your eyes are open on this so to me that only seems to leave one option?

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Wed 10 Nov 2021 9:29 pm
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Wed 10 Nov 2021 7:44 pm

Explain to me why it was a valid reply then in that circumstance but is not now in this. Or did you have a change of heart perhaps ?
I’m more than happy to post it in here or discuss it in here but then the thread will be locked because it is so far off topic, unless that’s the plan?

It does amuse me that people can bring up things that have nothing to do with the original topic and if I ignore them I’m accused of avoiding their question and if I answer I’m the one who has moved off topic

Your opponent asks you to start a new thread if you want to discuss what they think about Marxism in a thread titled 'euro 2021' and that was about racism and blm and taking the knee and you refuse and use the request as 'evidence' of their perfidious nature and insincerity and accuse them of having an ulterior motive.

You decide to start a new a new thread in order to carry on a discussion about racism in a thread titled brit expats leaving Spain and your opponent points out how differently you behaved before and you use that to imply their perfidious nature and insincerity and them of having an ulterior motive.

Seeing a pattern here yet ?

You do not play fair here. Never have. You are 'allowed' to to tell everyone what other people really think and why, regardless of anything they themselves say or anything they have done and divorced from actual reality. Not only are you 'allowed' to do this, imo you do do it with greater intensity and frequency of anyone I have noticed on this forum. And then you revel in your self declared ability to unmask and exposed hypocrites. Yet no one is 'allowed' to do the same to you. Your motives are always pure and sincere. Unquestionable. Everyone has to accept that. That is how you play your game here imo.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Wed 10 Nov 2021 12:17 pm
So Erol you aren’t a stupid man.
I think you are very naive but you insist your eyes are open on this so to me that only seems to leave one option?
Which is it. Am I a radical Marxist or am I naïve dupe of radical Marxist. You have claimed both about me in the past.

Can it be asked are you a racist or a naïve dupe of racist, when you chose to espouse exactly the same thing that a racist would espouse ? No, that can not be asked. That is not allowed. You can espouse exactly the same thing that a racist would espouse without it being any thing to do with you being racist or a naïve dupe of racists. Yet no one can espouse the same thing that a Marxist would without that being proof of them being a Marxist or a naïve dupe of Marxist.

You do not play fair.

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So it’s the usual then Erol never answer a question until your new question has been answered and so on.
That’s why I wouldn’t go into the new thread as I know the tactic. ETS is spoiling my narrative here so let’s take him to a sidebar. He might actually think I’ll respond to his questions there but I can keep him stewing.
It’s all getting a bit transparent and dull now and the fact that you raised BLM and now I start a new thread to discuss it and you ignore it reveals what the whole BLM ethos is. Black people are just pawns aren’t they?
At least racists admit they have contempt for them I despise the sentiment but at least I give them 1 mark for the lack of hypocrisy.

Ok here’s a simple question do you think the far left infiltrated The Labour Party under Corbyn?
Obviously you will avoid this question like the plague but it is always fun making you wriggle.
I should set up a survey, will he;

Demand I answer a random question first
Do the faux outrage that I could ask such a thing
Actually not answer but write out a 3000 word essay which is in lovely English but indecipherable and pretend that is an answer.
Pretend to have no interest in politics.
I’m making Corbyn isn’t the leader anymore it’s irrelevant favourite if anyone wants to get a book on.
Yes or no are 10,000 to 1

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Thu 11 Nov 2021 7:32 am

You can espouse exactly the same thing that a racist would espouse without it being any thing to do with you being racist or a naïve dupe of racists.
Again I have no problem whatsover where players carrying out a gesture against racism, my problem is with a gesture that is associated with BLM.
Your take is if THAT gesture isn't used then everyone should take their ball home.
It reminds me of one of those marketing excercises where you can wave a flag for your team but only the Pepsi branded flag, all others are banned. Of course the supporters of the other side will have thier own Pepsi flag.
I always get confused, which team does Pepsi really support here?

I don't think there is a major problem within football of racism. There was, but it is tiny now. Some who pretend they used to go to West Ham and saw supporters throw bannanas at what must have been all white players will pretend we have amajor problem but we have a league that is populated by 25-30% black players and a national side which is generally populated with more than that.

Now you could protest about the lack of playeres who can be openly gay in football or the strange lack of Asian players both are as valid now as they were 50 years ago but that doesn't get the headlines does it or is trendy?

I find it strange that players who are so worried about racism support an upcoming World Cup based in a country that brings in migrant workers to be exploited or have multi million pound boot deals with companies that exploit black labour in Haiti or Asian labour in the Far East.
So this isn't players who are so worried about racism they feel the need to make a gesture, it is players feeling pressured into making the gesture to protect their personal brand.

They could have made a gesture about George Floyd as they would have a minutes silence of various people dying or Rememberence day as a one off but they way dogma works is its a drip drip drip method.

Of course all of the above is what a racist or fascist would say because anyone who is to the right of a Marxist must be a fascist. Everything from the Berlin Wall (or anti-fascist wall as it was called in the East) downwards is an anti fascist gesture.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 12:13 pm
erol wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 7:32 am

You can espouse exactly the same thing that a racist would espouse without it being any thing to do with you being racist or a naïve dupe of racists.
Again I have no problem whatsover where players carrying out a gesture against racism, my problem is with a gesture that is associated with BLM.
Your take is if THAT gesture isn't used then everyone should take their ball home.
It reminds me of one of those marketing excercises where you can wave a flag for your team but only the Pepsi branded flag, all others are banned. Of course the supporters of the other side will have thier own Pepsi flag.
I always get confused, which team does Pepsi really support here?

I don't think there is a major problem within football of racism. There was, but it is tiny now. Some who pretend they used to go to West Ham and saw supporters throw bannanas at what must have been all white players will pretend we have amajor problem but we have a league that is populated by 25-30% black players and a national side which is generally populated with more than that.

Now you could protest about the lack of playeres who can be openly gay in football or the strange lack of Asian players both are as valid now as they were 50 years ago but that doesn't get the headlines does it or is trendy?

I find it strange that players who are so worried about racism support an upcoming World Cup based in a country that brings in migrant workers to be exploited or have multi million pound boot deals with companies that exploit black labour in Haiti or Asian labour in the Far East.
So this isn't players who are so worried about racism they feel the need to make a gesture, it is players feeling pressured into making the gesture to protect their personal brand.

They could have made a gesture about George Floyd as they would have a minutes silence of various people dying or Rememberence day as a one off but they way dogma works is its a drip drip drip method.

With any protest the idea is to maximise support. To get those who are apathetic about the cause to get onside and here we have a gesture that is obviously alienatiing some. So do they think let's change tack to maximise our support? Not a chance because that might mean they lose control.

Of course all of the above is what a racist or fascist would say because anyone who is to the right of a Marxist must be a fascist. Everything from the Berlin Wall (or anti-fascist wall as it was called in the East) downwards is an anti fascist gesture.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 11:03 am
So it’s the usual then Erol never answer a question until your new question has been answered and so on.
I am calling 'prior unanswered question'

There is nothing new in the questions I asked above. Nothing. I have been asking the same thing for YEARS in one form or another and not only have you yet imo to address the thing I am asking about, you just keep ploughing on with certain specific behaviours, which are the thing I have been talking about. I can show you. I mean that literally. It is a challenge. I claim I can show you examples on me asking essentially the same question over YEARS. I am still asking it after years because I still do not feel I have had an answer in all that time. I am asking it again here now , more forcefully than ever before because it has been years and because you have decided that is the only channel of communication you wish to have with me. Your choice.

Here is me asking it again. Literally after years as far as I am concerned

What gives any poster here the right to decide and declare that what they say and everything they say is always sincere. Has to be. To then tell other posters here what they say and do is not sincere ? What is it exactly do you think that confers that right on you ? To do that.
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Thu 11 Nov 2021 11:03 am
That’s why I wouldn’t go into the new thread as I know the tactic. ETS is spoiling my narrative here so let’s take him to a sidebar. He might actually think I’ll respond to his questions there but I can keep him stewing.
It’s all getting a bit transparent and dull now and the fact that you raised BLM and now I start a new thread to discuss it and you ignore it reveals what the whole BLM ethos is. Black people are just pawns aren’t they?
Mate you always have a reason why what you say, what you do is and has to be sincere and why the other persons isn't and can not be. Years. Shall I show you ?

What you seem unable to grasp is that just having a reason is not enough to justify you doing it. You know this because when people use a reason why your views might be racist, not just a reason, but the very exact same reason you use, you do not like it. Not one little bit.

What is is more I do not think you properly understand why you do not like it. I think you think you do not like it because 'racist' is 'bad'. If you do think that then I think you are wrong. You do not like it because you are not racist. It is not who you are. That is actually why you do not like it. One little bit. Do not believe me ? Imagine for the next year I reply to anything you say with 'the problem with retried elite athletes is ...' You will not like it of that I am sure. Not one bit.

You think you are pushing my buttons. You think you are crushing my ideals and ideologies. Exposing my hypocrisies. You are not. You miss the target every time from day zero to now. After years of this. After meeting face to face. I have spent years trying to tell you what my buttons actually are and you still do not get it. You do not listen.

My playing field is progress. That is who I am. An actual real part of who I am. My fence that I construct in my head is everything either makes progress less likely or more likely.

You ask me who do I prefer out of Labour or Conservative and I will consider which side of the fence I think they are on and pick accordingly. My fence. The construct that only exists in MY head. That is part of MY identity. Another part of my identity is I also believe that which ever one does end up winning power next, the chance that either of them could be the a key factor in the kind of progress I am interested is next to zero. That is why I do not vote for either of them.

So when you do one of your glorious take downs of Labour or Corbyn or the left generally, you know, the pre written ones, the boiler plate polemics that live in your head, you may think 'gotcha' and notch yourself up another 'point' in your role as points judge combined with competitor but the actual reality is much simpler. I, me, who I am just does not care. I do not care to the degree I do not even vote. I have been saying this for years and all you have said back in essence is I am lying and that really I do care. and at least as much as you.

Years and you still pushing the wrong buttons.

Say to me all I want is change and ill say dam righ. Always have, always will. What I will not accept is that I want change because I am a Marxist. I will not accept that because that is not who I am and you have no right to tell me who I really am. None. The reason why I will always chose change over status quo is no more complicated than you can not have progress without being willing to risk change. Status Quo, not the rock band, is always on the less likely to make progress side of MY fence and change is always on the more likely side. That is who I am. That explains who I am. Marxist does not explain who I am. Leftist does not explain who I am.

Tell me that "as far as a racism problem in Britain exists, it really doesn’t. That battle has been won, you are bayoneting the wounded.", that is an anathema to me. To who I am. Who I really am , not who you say I am. It is an anathema to me not because I am Marxist, or leftist, or liberal or read the Guardian. It is an anathema to me because when I place it either side of MY fence, believing that will always be on the 'less likely to lead to progress' side. Always.

That is a much better description of who I am than anything you have come up with after years. It is one that people who know me, really know me, would recognise. Extremist , radical Marxist and the like are not descriptions of me that anyone who knows me would recognise.

It is better than yours because it better explains 'who I am' and why I say what I do here. The things you see as hypocrisies are only hypocrisies because you can and will only ever play on your playing and using your fence and no other. For years now. Want me to show you ? Once you place them in the context of who I really am, rather than who you tell everyone I am and must be and can only be, they are no longer hypocrisies. They are actually consistencies.

Years and you still do not know me well enough to push my buttons. You just think you do.

Tell me 'this is it, this is as good as it can be , there can be no more progress from here' and you are pushing my biggest , first order button. It is an anathema to me. To who I am. Really am. Telling me there can be no progress is pointless. I will never accept that. There is no evidence that could ever change my mind on that. Because for me, who I am, it is not about evidence. It is about survival. I will not believe that progress is not possible because if I do allow myself to believe that I might top myself. That is who I am.

All you have done here for years now is push the 'you are Marxist' button and when I say that button is not working because I am not Marxist, you just say I am a liar and that is proven because that is exactly what a marxist would say.

To date, years of it, the game has been played exclusively using your fence. That is the only fence you will play on. Want me to show you ? You also insist it is axiomatic that if anyone does place anything either side of that fence, your fence, then they have to care about that placement as much as you do. For them to try and claim otherwise means they are liars and hypocrites. Sorry but this is not axiomatic and imo so obviously so.

What you do, what has to be accepted in order to 'play' with you at all is that, is that you get to define the tones, the shades, the scale that I have to use to describe to you who I am (what I think, why I think it). You are either right or left for example. For years and currently still this has been the only game in town on offer from you. Here that is. Not face to face.

You do not understand 'identity politics'. I think I do. Meaning I do not think I have any 'truth' about identity politics but I do have a rational framework or explanation for why I think what I do on this topic. When measured on my fence that is. It is not because I am Marxist.

For example I think

No one has the right to tell someone else the numbers of shades they have to use in order to describe who they are. Not the number of shades nor what those shades have to be. Everyone has the right to define for themselves what and how many shades are needed to describe who they think they are.

I believe this because imo to dictate (mandate/ force /limit) the shades in which someone else has to describe themselves is to deny them their identity. From what I think I have learnt after living in the world for 50 odd years plus, any time you systematically deny people their right to express their identity how they want to, how they need to, you will have trouble.

I think I know that any time you systematically deny people their right to express their identity how they want to, how they need to, you will have trouble. Because I think I see that. In the real world. Time after time and every time it is done there is trouble. I do not see how it can be done without it causing trouble.

No one has the right to tell someone else they can only describe who they are using these two tones or those two and this fence only and no other way. Stop doing that to people, denying them their identity and you will get less trouble. That is axiomatic for me. For who I really am that is. Deny people their right to express their identity and there can be no progress. Do not deny them this and their can be progress. That is what I think I see. I see it here with you and me. I see it everywhere. That is how I understand identity politics.

You think you know what explains everything I do here and post here. You do not. You are massively missing the target. still. Over and over. After all this time. After I have literally told you what single word, what fence can be used, should be used if you want to explain why I post what I do here. Who I am. Progress.

If there are any 'inconsistencies' or hypocrisies in anything I have ever said here, when you accept who I say I am. When you use my fence to understand and explain me, then I want to know about them. I am not interested in the inconsistencies you see when you use your fence, who you are, to explain why I say what I do here. Who I am. I have not been interested in that for years. I have been telling you this for years, without progress.

Years and years. Why am I still doing 'this', whatever 'this' is, here, with you, still ? Ask it using my fence (my identity) and the answer is carrying on is on the is on the 'progress more likely' side of my fence and stopping on the 'progress less likely side of my fence. Ask it using your fence and the answer is because extremist left wing ideologues like me never give up, never will give up until their socialist, Marxist, leftist nightmare has been forced on every last person on the planet. I am still doing this because I believe progress is still possible but only still possible if I continue. If I stop, no progress is possible. With progress being pretty much anything other than just repeating what has gone so far. over and over. for years.

I know who I am. Better than you do. I really do.

You think you know why I respond to some things and not others here. Actually you do not. You just think you do. You think I do not want to talk about racism and what I really think about it. You are a million miles from the truth. But when I do it will be at a time that suits me and in a way that suits and free from you telling me that I can only explain my views about racism on your fence and using your tones.

Everyone has the right to chose what they read here. What they do not read here. What they reply to and what they do not reply to. It being a right means they can and should be able to do it 'without question'.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 12:13 pm
erol wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 7:32 am

You can espouse exactly the same thing that a racist would espouse without it being any thing to do with you being racist or a naïve dupe of racists.
Again I have no problem whatsover where players carrying out a gesture against racism, my problem is with a gesture that is associated with BLM.
Your take is if THAT gesture isn't used then everyone should take their ball home.
Choosing to boo an anti racism gesture or supporting those who do is not associated with actual racism ? In any way ? There is no association there ? Choosing specifically to boo the most effective gesture seen in my lifetime in terms of engaging ordinary people in anti racism is not associated with racism ?

My take is that if we let racist and others who support the same thing as racist, as 'naïve dupes' or otherwise, determine what gestures can or can not be used in the fight against anti racism, then we have already lost. They, racists, do not get to do that in my book. They should not be allowed to do that in my book.

I acknowledge and respect your concerns about Marxism but I do not think they justify letting the racists win on this one. I think 'watching the Marxist like hawks' is enough for now. If and when there is credible evidence that the global cause of Marxism has been materially advanced by using the banner BLM and taking the knee, more than than the cause of anti racism has been advanced by them, then I will countenance the idea of changing gesture or label. Not before for me.

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EnjoyingTheSun wrote:
Wed 10 Nov 2021 12:17 pm
Is there a major problem with racism in the UK?
There are still too many racists & black people are still behind where they should be but I think we are moving in the right direction and to say it is as bad as it was 50 years ago is ludicrous.
As far as I am concerned I think you still need to explain this in relation to what you said here earlier on the same subject before all this taking the knee stuff kicked off. I am not ascribing any reasons for this discrepancy. I am just asking you to explain it or why it is not a discrepancy.
EnjoyingTheSun wrote:"as far as a racism problem in Britain exists, it really doesn’t. That battle has been won, you are bayoneting the wounded."
For me the difference between the two is first order importance. Try putting them on my fence and you can easily understand why

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erol wrote:
Thu 11 Nov 2021 6:41 pm

I am calling 'prior unanswered question'

There is nothing new in the questions I asked above.
And flicking through it there is nothing new in the post.
Basically "never question my integrity or state that I might be biased and never copy my tactics on answering a question with another question as it isn't fair."

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Thu 11 Nov 2021 6:47 pm

Choosing to boo an anti racism gesture or supporting those who do is not associated with actual racism ? In any way ? There is no association there ? Choosing specifically to boo the most effective gesture seen in my lifetime in terms of engaging ordinary people in anti racism is not associated with racism ?
You know at least half the crowd are booing this now right?
The broadcasters mute the boos and pipe in clapping, you are aware of this?
When I watched the matches over here moswt of the people in the bar booed the taking of the knee.

It is ironic, for years when we did have black players being booed are monkey chants the broadcasters used to mute the noises and pretend it never happen. This week Gerald Sindstadt died who was the first and only commentatotr to my knowledge to ever mention the booing of black players and monkey chanting and condemn it.

So do you believe haLf the crowd at football matches are racist?
Most of the people in bars over here are racist?

They are booing the organisation not a gesture against racism.

How old are you?
In my lifetime the most effective gesture against racism was Martin Luther King because it brought about change.
In the 70s the National Front was rising and people marched ahainst it and it disappeared.

Now we haave a lot of people mobilised, and lets be honest with social media and the student rent a crowds it isn't that hard to get a crowd of 50,000 to 100,000 and call it a million. Obviosly when there is a crowd protested against something our media don't approve of then the 50,000 to 100,000 becomes 12.

They are protesting against the disproportionate killing of black people which isn't happening and racism which is both illegal and extremely socially unacceptable.

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My take is that if we let racist and others who support the same thing as racist, as 'naïve dupes' or otherwise, determine what gestures can or can not be used in the fight against anti racism, then we have already lost. They, racists, do not get to do that in my book. They should not be allowed to do that in my book.

I acknowledge and respect your concerns about Marxism but I do not think they justify letting the racists win on this one. I think 'watching the Marxist like hawks' is enough for now. If and when there is credible evidence that the global cause of Marxism has been materially advanced by using the banner BLM and taking the knee, more than than the cause of anti racism has been advanced by them, then I will countenance the idea of changing gesture or label. Not before for me.
So in a crowd of 100,000 at Wembley when half the crowd boo therefore there are 50,000 racists in the crowd?
Three years ago there wasn't 50,000 racists in the crowd. Even 40 to 50 years ago the crowd wasn't made up by 50% racists.
So either they aren't all racists in which case why are they booing or since the advent of BLM we are creating racism?
Which is it? It can't be both.
I spat my coffee out when you said watching thr Marxists like hawks!
Who's going to do that then?
Me?
If I mention it I'm seeing reds under the bed according to you and you want me shut down.

You?
Well let's test your Marxist identification skills.
These were high ranking Labour politicians at the 2017 General Election where if you listen to the Momentum mob Labour would have won with 1200 more votes;

Jeremy Corbyn
Andrew Murray
Seamus Milne

I know you don't follow politics but in your unbiased high integrity opinion should any or all of them be a subject for your hawklike Marxist hunting skills?

We both know you aren't going to answer this question and would actually like this question to never be asked.
Is it a fascist question?

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