Residency - Total Confusion

[benjaminbutton]

Because we are such ignoramuses regarding modern technology, I thought I would ask an Agency that specialises in obtaining assorted permissions for people to do it for me. (not cheap at all) BUT, I'm sure they have the wrong end of the stick, so please can I ask those who are or who have renewed their residency on line a question? The Agency have asked me to supply them with the following to take to the Police.

Original passport and a copy
Muhtar letter and copy
Bank statement and copy
Orginal Kocan and copy
Passport photo

The Agency say they will apply for the State Medical Certificate, which obviously I pay on top of their fee.

But last February I stood with loads of other people in the cold at 7.15am with the above, plus marriage certificate, plus back page of house sale details that proved I had paid the sales tax (this was back in 2005) For that I have one sheet of paper stamped on 2nd February 2020, also stamped and signed by Police who I understood at the time were the Immigration Police.

Surely I don't need all of the above again in order to re apply on line (13th year of applications I believe)

The Agency also say they will go down to the Police Station with me in case of any queries. Can SOMEONE please put me out of my misery!!!!

[Mr Chinnery]

Yes, you will need all those documents plus copy of the last entry stamp into the country.

[Mr Chinnery]

Forgot to mention. The passport and muhtar letter will need to be uploaded on-line before you will get a police appointment. So your agency will need these documents before any visit to police immigration.
The medical certificate will automatically pop up on-line after the police visit.

[JoandJelly]

Also if one of you is sponsor the other person requires, in addition to their own documents, copies of the sponsor's passport photo page and last residency stamp and marriage certificate. Sponsor also needs a copy of their last entry stamp. The muhtar letters need to have 4TL stamps on them.

[Asia111]

Full DIY instructions with list of documentation required for main applicant and sponsor on infonorthcyprus.com

[waddo]

Benjaminbutton, if this is the 13th time you are applying for residency then you already know it is a game that has different rules every year! Having played this game 14 times and now preparing to play it again next month, in my experience, the best thing you can do is prepare at least two copies of everything before you even start the “So Called” on line application process. If there are two of you then duplicate all your documentation for the other person and have copies of their documentation as well.

I have found that it is better to have too much than not enough and trying to bury the pointless Police Check in paper gives me immense satisfaction, that and fixing a permanent smile on my face from start to finish tends to add confusion to the all important Civil Servants that I have to deal with. Preparation is the key!

I feel sure that one day the “on line” system will work, just not yet I am afraid, one computer can do away with hundreds of peoples jobs and therein lies the biggest problem. Good luck, as always it will all work out, treat it as a game and just keep smiling.

[a1sysman]

Because we are such ignoramuses regarding modern technology …

Original passport and a copy
Muhtar letter and copy
Bank statement and copy
Orginal Kocan and copy
Passport photo
…

Can SOMEONE please put me out of my misery!!!!

Take a chill pill, the online application for residency first time or renewal are similar in how it all flows.

If you have not done an online residency application before here is the link to get you started.

https://permissions.gov.ct.tr/staypermit/signup

The sign up process should be plain sailing for you.

The only field you may come to a halt at is the black border box top of right hand column. Only the red border boxed fields are mandatory to complete.

At this registration stage you do not need to worry about any documents to upload.

Once you have submitted your application you will receive login details by way of SMS to your local mobile phone. The message will be sent by lCISLERI. The message will contain your username and password. Your username becomes your residency number as it appears above the barcode on your digital residency document in due course. So, do not delete this message as the user name and password to log in will be used again.

Once armed with user name and password you log on here https://permissions.gov.ct.tr/staypermit/login

I have emailed you through Kibkom. We can take it from there if you like.

[benjaminbutton]

Thanks everyone. I'm going to take a deep breath, have a large g and t and then a nap. Then I'll decide whether to go further with the Agency or brave it myself.

Off topic I know but I did think of holding a party when we get to the end of the Residency tunnel, but having popped into Garanti Bank this morning to check on interest rates on my $ account, only to find it is 0.01% don't think I'll bother!!

[Deniz1]

I will go with Ex Pats consultancy when mine is due. I have no idea how to upload things so let them do it.

[EnjoyingTheSun]

I will go with Ex Pats consultancy when mine is due. I have no idea how to upload things so let them do it.

If you have a pc buy yourself a usb stick and it’s really really easy. Happy to talk you or anyone through it

[waddo]

And it will be very easy when it is ALL online instead of just part of it! So don't think that you won't have to get out of your nice chair and air con - unless of course you already work in the Police Station - lol.

[a1sysman]

I will go with Ex Pats consultancy when mine is due. I have no idea how to upload things so let them do it.

Do you have a smart phone? Do you take photos with your phone?

If yes is your answer to both questions then you have the tool and ability to take a photo of your muhtar’s letter and passport page spread.

That’s all you need to upload for residency application.

The system does not check if you have uploaded the correct documents. It just wants you to upload. You pass onto the next stage (police appointment, l think - but could be state medical insurance payment first) once two documents have been uploaded.

I used my phone for muhtar’s letter and passport page spread. Neither were print quality.

[leester polfus]

benjaminbutton - follow the instructions in infonorthcyprus.com and you can't go wrong. I was nervous as hell about doing it online first time and it was so easy following their instructions.

[Hammerhead]

It was great when the people over 65 did not need to register,bring it back

[ljarvo]

In my opinion if you can afford to pay an agency I would do it every time… in particular if there are any problems they deal with it.

The guy we used we didn't have to go to the police station either … good luck

[Chriswright03]

Whilst I agree in principle with those saying give it a go it is simple enough if you follow the instructions I also am aware of the stress some people suffer from this sort of thing. Having done an application for a couple recently I was only to aware of their concern that they get something wrong in the application which would delay/prevent them from completing the process.

As someone else has mentioned Ex Pats Consultancy I would say that Havva and her team provide an excellent service and can be trusted and relied on. I think many people will be able to master the art of online applications with all of the hoops without a major issue but by the same token if you don't feel confident and have the money to pay someone to do it then do that. There really is no need to be stressed out about it all and if paying someone else you can trust to do it works for you then fine.

[Hammerhead]

Could you put the names of these people who do it all

[benjaminbutton]

Thanks Chriswright03 for understanding. I very, very rarely pull the "age" thing, but sadly in this case I feel we need to. At 85 and 79 respectively him and I are pretty efficient Silver Surfers on laptop and Smart phones and lead full lives, with or without the necessity to go on line, but after having given a lot of thought I'm still going to go to an Agency. I realise its 100 Euro each plus some extras but the safety net of them applying for the Medical Certificate using one of their own local bank cards (something we do not possess) and attending the Police with us is a safety net I'm prepared to pay for. They are also going to try for a two year residency, using the "age thing" as a reason, but I'm doubtful they will achieve it. You never know, we might not even get our monies worth!!

[a1sysman]

Whilst I agree in principle with those saying give it a go it is simple enough if you follow the instructions I also am aware of the stress some people suffer from this sort of thing. Having done an application for a couple recently I was only to aware of their concern that they get something wrong in the application which would delay/prevent them from completing the process.

As someone else has mentioned Ex Pats Consultancy I would say that Havva and her team provide an excellent service and can be trusted and relied on. I think many people will be able to master the art of online applications with all of the hoops without a major issue but by the same token if you don't feel confident and have the money to pay someone to do it then do that. There really is no need to be stressed out about it all and if paying someone else you can trust to do it works for you then fine.

İ don’t disagree with your points at all. But please, why pay someone?

I am saddened some people have few, or no, friends to call upon who can “hand hold” them through what really is not a difficult task. Friends that have already navigated successfully through the online application process, and on to successful first residency or renewal.

Attending the police station in Girne - l cannot comment on other districts - is a simple affair now there is an appointment system. The queue will be short and progression to the front is relatively quick.

State your business. Hand over photocopies of the required documents, with originals present as backup. Quick check. That’s it. Next!

If it’s a residency renewal there is no need for a record of ins and outs.

l understand if people are frail or infirm, the thought of queuing outside at the police station is awful for them - and yes, there is a good case to be made for asking someone else to take their place in the queue as their proxy.

I have stood in longer outside queues to pay my water bill and at ATMs here.

[ljarvo]

We use Ersan Tomay … he is near the Courts in Girne

A helpful lady called Ilknur works for him - her number is 0533 829 2991

[Ossie]

I am 77, the friends who would have helped me through this process are all in UK. I Had help from the BRS with the initial application. I have very little in the way of IT skills and had to ask for help again with the so called renewal. Docs to the police station, was a doddle apart from the panic attack I had on the way and had to stop and get a taxi from Lapta.
Paid the health insurance on line a few days later. No problem. Now 7 weeks on and payment now asked for. Didn't work! On advice, again from BRS, I contacted the bank this morning. It seems my card had been de-registered for online payments! Too stressed out to ask why. Email from my bank saying now OK and to try again. I haven't tried yet, I'm scared what else might go wrong. I used to be a very confident person, but living here for over 15 years has knocked the stuffing out of me.

[JoandJelly]

Thanks Chriswright03 for understanding. I very, very rarely pull the "age" thing, but sadly in this case I feel we need to. At 85 and 79 respectively him and I are pretty efficient Silver Surfers on laptop and Smart phones and lead full lives, with or without the necessity to go on line, but after having given a lot of thought I'm still going to go to an Agency. I realise its 100 Euro each plus some extras but the safety net of them applying for the Medical Certificate using one of their own local bank cards (something we do not possess) and attending the Police with us is a safety net I'm prepared to pay for. They are also going to try for a two year residency, using the "age thing" as a reason, but I'm doubtful they will achieve it. You never know, we might not even get our monies worth!!

If you are in the Kyrenia area, I am more than happy to help you through the whole process including going to the police station with you. I have done residency 15 times (twice online) so pretty experienced lol. I don't want any payment as would like to think that someone would help my Dad if he was in your position. Send me a message if you would like my help.

Edited to add that I have a local card for the health insurance payment.

[a1sysman]

I am 77, the friends who would have helped me through this process are all in UK. I Had help from the BRS with the initial application. I have very little in the way of IT skills and had to ask for help again with the so called renewal. Docs to the police station, was a doddle apart from the panic attack I had on the way and had to stop and get a taxi from Lapta.
Paid the health insurance on line a few days later. No problem. Now 7 weeks on and payment now asked for. Didn't work! On advice, again from BRS, I contacted the bank this morning. It seems my card had been de-registered for online payments! Too stressed out to ask why. Email from my bank saying now OK and to try again. I haven't tried yet, I'm scared what else might go wrong. I used to be a very confident person, but living here for over 15 years has knocked the stuffing out of me.

Hello Ossie.
Seven weeks ago you successfully paid your health insurance online.

Seven weeks have passed whilst stopped at the “Immigration department are evaluating your application” or words to that effect, stage.

Pretty normal so far.

We wait and wait, patiently.

Now, if l read your message correctly, you are at the pay for your residency stage - the hurdle being your bank had not registered your card for online payments, correct?

You are at the final stage of residency process, the payment.

As l recall, once the residency fee online payment is made - and it can be anybody’s card used to make the payment, UK or local bank card - you will then be able to see and print off your residency document, back dated to when your previous residency ran out, or if this is a first time residency from the date you applied.

I am sure someone can help you print off your residency document if you do not have a printer.

From hereon, each time you login to the residency site your residency document displays on screen. That is all you can access… until 20 days before your residency is due for renewal, then an extra button “Renew” appears at the foot of the residency document.

Press “Renew” and you start the process fir another year’s residency.

[Ossie]

Hi a1s'ysman. Thank you for the advice. I used the same Credit Card Plus to pay for online residency last year. I also used it in April to pay the car tax, and also the State Health Insurance in May. The card was registered so it was quite a shock to find it didn't work yesterday. According to the bank it had been de=registered. They didn't/couldn't tell me . I paid off the previous transactions as soon as the statements arrived on my laptop, So it was a worrying situation. I also noted that they are fining me 25TL for late payment, at least I think that is what it is. Anyway, many thanks for your comments.

[Chriswright03]

Whilst I agree in principle with those saying give it a go it is simple enough if you follow the instructions I also am aware of the stress some people suffer from this sort of thing. Having done an application for a couple recently I was only to aware of their concern that they get something wrong in the application which would delay/prevent them from completing the process.

As someone else has mentioned Ex Pats Consultancy I would say that Havva and her team provide an excellent service and can be trusted and relied on. I think many people will be able to master the art of online applications with all of the hoops without a major issue but by the same token if you don't feel confident and have the money to pay someone to do it then do that. There really is no need to be stressed out about it all and if paying someone else you can trust to do it works for you then fine.

İ don’t disagree with your points at all. But please, why pay someone?

I am saddened some people have few, or no, friends to call upon who can “hand hold” them through what really is not a difficult task. Friends that have already navigated successfully through the online application process, and on to successful first residency or renewal.

Attending the police station in Girne - l cannot comment on other districts - is a simple affair now there is an appointment system. The queue will be short and progression to the front is relatively quick.

State your business. Hand over photocopies of the required documents, with originals present as backup. Quick check. That’s it. Next!

If it’s a residency renewal there is no need for a record of ins and outs.

l understand if people are frail or infirm, the thought of queuing outside at the police station is awful for them - and yes, there is a good case to be made for asking someone else to take their place in the queue as their proxy.

I have stood in longer outside queues to pay my water bill and at ATMs here.

Well I think the op has explained it anyway but simply I think some people would find it easier if all of the stress was taken away. They may not have anyone else to do it and this is hopefully another avenue for them to explore to save themselves the stress. We do not know how much stress others suffer with it all because we are not them. I know the elderly couple I helped were extremely grateful because they had tried to do it themselves and could not work out what to do.

I am certainly happy to help others as and when I can but it could be a full time occupation here and that is not what I want. If they are happy to pay and consider it value for money then it is their choice. As long as they receive a professional service and the end result is it all sorted then good luck to them.