inverter air con

[gripon]

recommendations for supplier of inverter air con units

[Keithcaley]

'Blomberg' opposite GAU road in Karaoğlanoğlu.

[benjaminbutton]

Totally agree KC.

[SunnyParkers]

Definitely Bloomberg, their customer service is superb

[marlowe78]

Do you know how much they charge for a 24000 btu

[Keithcaley]

Do you know how much they charge for a 24000 btu

No, these days with the Lira fluctuating, you'd need to go in and get a firm quote.

[Groucho]

These are the dollar prices of inverter air con units at Erulku (nr Ercan) as supplied by Siba who are also at the Bellapais lights.

The ones on the rhs are a higher spec A+++ rated, well worth the higher price. GREE are a very large name in air con.

[marlowe78]

Cheers guys

[finchy]

Make sure the refrigerant is R-32 and they aren’t selling off old models. GREE made in China . Wouldn’t go anywhere near them. Daikin or Mitsubishi are the best on the market, you may pay a little more but they are more reliable. You need to look at the COP (coefficient of performance)

[kemu]

Çelebi Engineering,
Mahmut Çelebi, 0542 884 78 06, Mechanic Engineer
Sells Carrier Inverter AirCons.

[kibsolar1999]

Make sure the refrigerant is R-32 and they aren’t selling off old models. GREE made in China . Wouldn’t go anywhere near them. Daikin or Mitsubishi are the best on the market, you may pay a little more but they are more reliable. You need to look at the COP (coefficient of performance)

all manufacturers know that customers are after a good cop. so, many "make them up", eg, cop 4. if you look closer, @ outside 27 degree and room temp 25 degrees. bloody hell, 2 degree temp difference only.
but important for us all is the cop @ 40 out and 25 degree inroom and 10 outside - 22 inside.. for heating purposes..
and here you can see the differences much more clearer... with many cheaper products the cop will drop to 1:2 or even lower. at certain temps , eg 45, they will totally stop and or cop is at 1:1. this also applies for the winter as the heat-exchanger will freeze.
reason: the outside unit is simply too small...
btw, a 0,1 cop difference will add up to approx 10-20 euros per year... (@ approx 20 eurocent per kWh and approx 25% usage a year)

[waddo]

kibsolar1999, Thanks for that - and I thought learning Cobol was difficult, lol - I think I understand but where would I find the cop rating and the "outside/inside" temp difference or is it a case of asking? To be honest I have never looked at the tech spec's on any of the aircon's I have and so far I have an old Mitsubishi (non-inverter) that I use in my office, a same make non inverter in a guest bedroom, a Beko inverter in our bedroom and two Airfel inverters in other rooms. None of them have any mention of a "cop" on the user instructions or on the stickers on the products?

Give us a hint then - which in your expert opinion would be the best make of aircon to purchase that meets your specified requirements. Whilst not being a person of great resources, I have always bought the best I can afford with an eye on operation costs and lifespan.

I am happy with the Airfel but know I purchased the wrong ones for the room volumes and intend to upgrade those 2 for better models then change the old Mitsubishi's out and dispose of them. Lots of us learn by our own mistakes and whilst I have made them myself I don't want to make the same mistakes again. Not a heavy user of aircon but as the World weather is definitely changing just trying to get ahead of the game - lol. Thanks for any advice you may offer.

[jayceebee]

Not too sure about inverters but would just like to note that Arcelik products here seem to be of good quality and very reliable and usually come with a THREE year guarantee. We have just had our Arcelik AC repaired for the first time in 14 years.

[kibsolar1999]

waddo,
1. i found a nice calculation for sizing.
room size in m² x 465 + 600 for each person
eg, sleeping room, 12 m² x 465 = 5580, sleeps two + 1200 = 6780 btu
or, open living - kitchen... 35 x 465 + 2 persons = 17475 + 2000 for the fridge = 19475 btu
2. Cop is outdated. the efficiency for cooling is given now in SEER, the S stands for seasonal. Same for SCOP, which is given for the heating function.
a "season" can be very different in say, UK and Cyprus, but it is a standart testing which gives good ideas.
basically we have to accept a bit lower SEER for cyprus, but a bit higher SCOP, as the average temps in Cyprus are higher, so, more cooling but less heating is required.
3. i had a look .... and the offered models are sort of uncountable.
if you can not find a SEER or a SCOP , but only COP in the brochure, or you have to click and click to find them... just forget them.
4. all better units cost a bit more. R 32 cooling gas is a must.
often the "standart" units are the same efficient as the "lux" models, but they do not have wifi and / or they are bit noisier and / or do not have an "ionic filter"
5. a typical SEER for an already better 9000 btu (eg Arcelik) is 7.0, the SCOP is 4. but, eg, mitsubishi offers 8,6 SEER and 4,8 SCOP, which is 20% better = uses 20% less energy.
LG offers a dual inverter with 9,4 SEER and 5,2 SCOP.
6. if a house (3 or 4 ac units) needs, say, 4000 kWh from the grid a year for heating- cooling, it saves you say, 800 kWh or say, 200 euros. but if you use 10.000 kWh, you can save 2000 kWh and this will cost you every year 500 euros on top.
in other words: if a house is not or bad insulated, than at least you should invest in very good ac units.

[Mowgli597]

Waddo. COBOL was a doddle compared to kibsolar above.

You need a degree in difficult sums for that reply

[kibsolar1999]

Waddo. COBOL was a doddle compared to kibsolar above.

You need a degree in difficult sums for that reply

ok, what you did not understand?

well, what i also found out.... there are some companies offer air cons as eg, " A+++ " , or "A***" (to avoid the "+" sign) , but in reality, a check online somewhere else, they are eg, A++ and A+ for heating only.
it is now mandatory (in EU) to show BOTH values, first is for cooling and values the SEER, second values the heating, the SCOP.
here some SCOP ratings for heating
A+++ ≥ 5,1
A++ 4,6 - 5,1
A+ 4 - 4,6
A 3,4 - 4

avoid 410 gas, its dirty stuff and outdated. R32 is the right choice.

[Mowgli597]

Waddo. COBOL was a doddle compared to kibsolar above.

You need a degree in difficult sums for that reply

ok, what you did not understand? …..

Say again all after “waddo”
Over

(Only messing!)

[benjaminbutton]

None of it. !!

[Soner]

I understood. Good information to know.
I only now go for R32, but did not know about SEER and SCOP.
Thanks for info.

[kibsolar1999]

I understood. Good information to know.
I only now go for R32, but did not know about SEER and SCOP.
Thanks for info.

i will add a file for an energy label and give an example...
Mitsubishi, the newer models... for 12000 btu: SEER 8,6 , SCOP for moderate temps for heating: 5,9, for cold environment 4,8
Arcelik, and thats the even better model... 12000 btu, SEER 7 and SCOP 4.
so mitsu is 20% more efficient for cooling and 20- 50 % more efficient for heating.

[benjaminbutton]

I can understand it much more now I've looked at the label.